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When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by Sunrise on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 9:35 am

This was the most important topic in all discussions on this forum the last months.
Here the facts again:
It is not possible to build content for SEO, because Telnames has no subdomains.
Telnames can’t reach good search results in search engines for important keywords.
Telnames can’t be found on Telpages, because keyword domains from the old Telnic .tels always appear before them.
It’s difficult if not impossible for customers to find a business that has only a Telname.
The success of Telnames stands or falls with the decision if a Telnames directory will be available or not!
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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by hulltv on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 9:42 am

we have to go where the customer is....and there on google

if telnames can't rank on there...were gone next renewal


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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by maxi on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 9:43 am

I still had not patented that idea, so they can use it without hesitation.
maxi wrote:I have a good business idea for them: nеаrеr thе timе оf rеnеwаl, whiсh will саmе in Mаy, thеy соuld аnnоunсе, for example, thаt аll thе yеаr thеy wоrkеd hаrd tо imprоvе thе prоduсt - аnd thаt frоm nоw сustоmеrs will hаvе 5 subdоmаins аnd 500 сhаrасtеrs оf frее tеxt (instеаd оf fоrmеr 255) аnd 40 соntасts (instеаd оf fоrmеr 20). And duе tо thаt frоm nоw сustоmеrs соuld prоmоtе thеir TЕLs with sеаrсh еnginеs. Thаt сеrtаinly соuld stоp pаrt оf сustоmеrs frоm drоpping thеir TЕLs.

At thе nеxt yеаr thеy аgаin соuld аnnоunсе, thаt аftеr hаrd wоrk thеy аdd 20 subdоmаins аnd 1000 сhаrасtеrs оf frее tеxt. This nеw hоpе ignitеd in thе сustоmеrs аgаin соuld prеvеnt mаss-drоp аnd in this wаy thеy will kееp thеir TЕLs fоr fеw yеаrs instеаd оf drоpping thеm аftеr thе first yеаr.
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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by Sunrise on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 9:48 am

I conclude .tel will not rank well on Google before it sees critical mass.
I conclude .tel will not see critical mass before it ranks well on Google.
Does a way out of this situation exist?

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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by maxi on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 10:52 am

Sunrise wrote:I conclude .tel will not rank well on Google before it sees critical mass.
I conclude .tel will not see critical mass before it ranks well on Google.
Does a way out of this situation exist?
Visitоrs, whо cоmе tо TEL-sitеs duе tо sеаrch rеsults аnd in this wаy lеаrn аbоut еxistеncе оf TЕL, cоuld bе much bеttеr sоurce of pоtеntial buyеrs of TELs thаn TV аdvеrtising bеcаusе thаt cоst nоthing fоr Tеlnic.

As I hеаrd, fеw bеst dirеctоriеs build оn TELs hаvе еаch 20.000 - 70.000 mоnthly visitоrs. Thаt is thе sоurcе оf indirеct аdvеrtising. Оf cоursе, nоt еvеry оnе whо hаd visitеd TЕL-sitе gеts thе idеа tо rеgistеr а TEL fоr himsеlf аlsо. But sоmе surеly gеt thаt idеа. Thе mоrе nicе-lооking аnd thе mоrе flеxiblе аnd functiоnаl TЕL will bе, thе mоrе pеоplе wоuld likе tо gеt it fоr thеmsеlvеs.

But thаt dеpеnds оn Tеlnic аlrеаdy - tо mаkе TЕL аttrаctivе lооking аnd wоrking. Whеn it will hаppеn, thеn mоrе pеоplе will build dirеctоriеs fоr thеir businеss оr fоr rеvеnuе frоm аdsеnsе. Thеn mоrе pеоplе cоmе tо TELs. Thеn mоrе оf thеm wоuld likе tо gеt TЕL.

But until thеy аrе plаying and wаsting timе with Tеlnаmеs - trying tо invеnt "оnе-whееl-bicyclе", which shоuld (by thеir mind) tо gеt tо thе first Gооglе pаgеs withоut аny wоrk аnd аny invеstmеnts frоm thеir оwnеrs, till thаt timе nо prоgrеss will hаppеn.



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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by fustachio.tel on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 11:19 am

Hello? stop with the SEO! tel was never about SEO and talking about SEO is for people who think tel is a website, tel was and is about DNS so the point of telnames is to give you the fastist and simple way to get a web presence and get OTHER services to put your data into their system, it's never about about SEO on its own, this is just your way of making telnames look bad and getting what you wrongfully think are people who don't understand the internet to push for subdomains at telnames or not buy one.

I think it's disgracefull! not only to hide so we cant see what .tel you admin but to missrepresent the purpose of a tel to gain sub domains, tel and telnames sucess does not depend on SEO rankings and directorys they have made as its clear telpages has failed and asking for a new when people wont use it is a waste of time, tel sucess depends on other services including directories like YELL and YELLOW PAGES to allow you to list your business in them automaticly after you click OK to confirm your tel details are correct, it depends on telnames using existing service APIs to auto setup and push your data out so Google and all service engines take you out of their sandbox, there is no reason a 3rd party app cant tel another service to add your data to its own known business list to save you oh.. hours! and hours! and hours! and it would be neglegance not to make partnerships with sites that people know and use, so all you need to do is tick yes to the auto setup, why do you think they have partnerships with some sites?

I see it as them knowing anything else is a waste of time and money, telnames now has a great re-seller system which is a good enough reason for other sites to re-sell and plug auto intergration. And like I said in the other thread tel ranks well and if it does not for you its because you have too many competing services and are after single words, even if you own yellowpages.tel you will never ever beat the well known yellow pages via SEO because its theirebrand the same goes for anything pre-existing because they have had years to get historic ranking, when you get any domain you end up in a sandbox and sub domains wont get you out of that, in fact GOOGLE will think you're spamming and pick up on it and other blackhat tactics unless you have good content and with sub domains with  the ablity to put almost nothing on it but keyword targeting data Google will likely think its poor content and or spam.

When it comes to telnames the point is to push for one page to do everything, the point is intergration with other services, which will get you not just a good search ranking due to backlinks but get you a one touch syndication system to put your business details not just in Google for a single keyword that could end up in a search for anything but in services most used by people without having to sign up for them directly other than what should be ticking "list in X Y Z" services depending on your map location etc.

So you only ever need update your telname not mess with 100s passwords, risk getting hacked or having old details on a site you forgot about and have to honor what ever offer. Imagine you cant get into an account anymore at YELL or something, you'd have to prove its your business and Google is 100% imposable to contact even with lawyers, go Google trends research sues google, they didin't even fix it after getting sued, granted it was a blog spot vs adsence issue but its still his business someone is pretending is there's for ad money.

The point is its a waste of time for them to add sub domains and a directory to try to help you fake a ranking, when the goal is like when sending status updates to multiple webservices, its syndication via DNS to more than just Google, to services people actualy use, like Google maps that last time I know takes business info not from search but from their own directory somewhere, maybe it's google + business pages now but the point is its better to push for auto setup with those services in one click bulk than to waste time on Faking SEO and thinking its all you need to be a sucess and be found. I apprehate reading your opnion but it really does wind me up when your name suggests you've been a telsonian from before landrush and not got the fact about tels true intent.



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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by GoTel on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 12:11 pm

fustachio.tel wrote:Hello? stop with the SEO! tel was never about SEO and talking about SEO is for people who think tel is a website, tel was and is about DNS so the point of telnames is to give you the fastist and simple way to get a web presence and get OTHER services to put your data into their system, it's never about about SEO on its own, this is just your way of making telnames look bad and getting what you wrongfully think are people who don't understand the internet to push for subdomains at telnames or not buy one.

I think it's disgracefull! not only to hide so we cant see what .tel you admin but to missrepresent the purpose of a tel to gain sub domains, tel and telnames sucess does not depend on SEO rankings and directorys they have made as its clear telpages has failed and asking for a new when people wont use it is a waste of time, tel sucess depends on other services including directories like YELL and YELLOW PAGES to allow you to list your business in them automaticly after you click OK to confirm your tel details are correct, it depends on telnames using existing service APIs to auto setup and push your data out so Google and all service engines take you out of their sandbox, there is no reason a 3rd party app cant tel another service to add your data to its own known business list to save you oh.. hours! and hours! and hours! and it would be neglegance not to make partnerships with sites that people know and use, so all you need to do is tick yes to the auto setup, why do you think they have partnerships with some sites?

I see it as them knowing anything else is a waste of time and money, telnames now has a great re-seller system which is a good enough reason for other sites to re-sell and plug auto intergration. And like I said in the other thread tel ranks well and if it does not for you its because you have too many competing services and are after single words, even if you own yellowpages.tel you will never ever beat the well known yellow pages via SEO because its theirebrand the same goes for anything pre-existing because they have had years to get historic ranking, when you get any domain you end up in a sandbox and sub domains wont get you out of that, in fact GOOGLE will think you're spamming and pick up on it and other blackhat tactics unless you have good content and with sub domains with the ablity to put almost nothing on it but keyword targeting data Google will likely think its poor content and or spam.

When it comes to telnames the point is to push for one page to do everything, the point is intergration with other services, which will get you not just a good search ranking due to backlinks but get you a one touch syndication system to put your business details not just in Google for a single keyword that could end up in a search for anything but in services most used by people without having to sign up for them directly other than what should be ticking "list in X Y Z" services depending on your map location etc.

So you only ever need update your telname not mess with 100s passwords, risk getting hacked or having old details on a site you forgot about and have to honor what ever offer. Imagine you cant get into an account anymore at YELL or something, you'd have to prove its your business and Google is 100% imposable to contact even with lawyers, go Google trends research sues google, they didin't even fix it after getting sued, granted it was a blog spot vs adsence issue but its still his business someone is pretending is there's for ad money.

The point is its a waste of time for them to add sub domains and a directory to try to help you fake a ranking, when the goal is like when sending status updates to multiple webservices, its syndication via DNS to more than just Google, to services people actualy use, like Google maps that last time I know takes business info not from search but from their own directory somewhere, maybe it's google + business pages now but the point is its better to push for auto setup with those services in one click bulk than to waste time on Faking SEO and thinking its all you need to be a sucess and be found. I apprehate reading your opnion but it really does wind me up when your name suggests you've been a telsonian from before landrush and not got the fact about tels true intent.


Finally a voice of reason.

Like someone else said wisely, all the foolishness about SEO and subdomains has destroyed .tel

If they had Telnames and a Telname Directory since 2008, the registrations would be well over 1 million REAL .tel's !
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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by Expert on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 1:56 pm

Question:
Sunrise wrote:When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?
Answer:
telrific wrote:The last time I spoke to Kash on the telephone, directly concerning a more valuable TelPages directory, the conversation ended with Kash all but yelling "It's not going to happen, ok ?".

That's a fact.

That was some time ago, but he has clearly followed through with TelPages not being a priority from his standpoint.

Perhaps Telnic will "see the light" and follow through with what was advertised, perhaps not.
Alternative:
Bowen-Morris said he is in discussions with directory publishers in the U.K., and elsewhere, about using the Telnic API to build a custom branded environment for offering .tel as part of a presence bundle, or as part of a managed service, which could command a much higher price point for resellers. Through the API, publishers can register the .tel names and upload merchant business profile info.
http://blog.kelseygroup.com/index.php/2012/05/24/telnic-eyes-opportunity-in-enabling-soho-businesses/

Problems:

.tel is a competitor for directories. Where is the motivation for directories to help .tel?
With only 7,000 customers Telnames is not really a strong partner. Telnic is out of the game, but at least has 235,000 customers. (Sadly Telnic customers don't have access to the same service and template.)
Partner search and negotiation about cooperation can take years.

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Post by maxi on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 2:12 pm

fustachio.tel wrote:... stop with the SEO! tel was never about SEO and talking about SEO is for people who think tel is a website, tel was and is about DNS so the point of telnames is to give you the fastist and simple way to get a web presence and get OTHER services to put your data into their system, it's never about about SEO on its own,
It is nice that you belive in Telnames. And you are not alone. Telrific also supports you. Telnames forever!


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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by FrankW. on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 2:21 pm

Expert wrote:With only 7,000 customers Telnames is not really a strong partner. Telnic is out of the game, but at least has 235,000 customers. (Sadly Telnic customers don't have access to the same service and template.)
I don't want to criticize Telnic, but with this performance the question must be allowed if the foundation of Telnames was the right way. Why not supporting the 235,000 at Telnic who could promote their websites with the improved design from Telnames, too? A partnership with external directories would become more likely.
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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by kprobe on Mon 25 Feb 2013, 9:30 pm

First off, the majority of 250K domains are not in use as they still belong to speculators.
Secondly, how many of the remaining will want to pay $36 when they paid $10 to begin with?
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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by Boracay on Tue 26 Feb 2013, 12:48 am

Maxi, please check your PM mail.
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Post by maxi on Tue 26 Feb 2013, 4:01 am

Boracay wrote:Maxi, please check your PM mail.
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kprobe wrote:... how many of the remaining will want to pay $36 when they paid $10 to begin with?
I try to imagine what big domain-investors (i.e. with 300 - 2000 TELs) would think when at the time of renewal they will found that the price had increased from $10 to $36 or more?

If that will happen, then do they want to renew all of their TELs, part of them, or no one of them?

What forum users think about possible variants?


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Post by Sunrise on Tue 26 Feb 2013, 7:52 am

kprobe wrote:First off, the majority of 250K domains are not in use as they still belong to speculators.
I believe a lot of old tel buyers would be interested in working on their tels, but they have to see some value for it first.
At the moment especially experts have much more freedom and better results by buying a less attractive domain name, but with another extension particularly .com.
Imagine tel without speculators; if currently most of tels belongs to speculators, then registration numbers would be very low without them.
Speculators are not the real problem, because every domain extension has to deal with them.
And think about the money Telnic has earned with their registration fees. Without speculators Telnic would have very small yearly revenues.
Compare it with the stock market. The stock exchange is an important tool for fund raising and the economy, and nobody would think about kicking the speculators out. Why? Because speculators keep the stock market alive and the operators earn good money with them!
The main problem instead is for Telnic finding a way to make as much people as possible interested in developing their tels.
A directory would be a big step into this direction, because it gives all tel buyers the possibility to generate traffic.
This would affect all the empty tels, because with potential earnings many buyers would wake up.
It's all about user traffic, and that is low for tel!
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Post by Sunrise on Tue 26 Feb 2013, 8:11 am

maxi wrote:
kprobe wrote:... how many of the remaining will want to pay $36 when they paid $10 to begin with?
I try to imagine what big domain-investors (i.e. with 300 - 2000 TELs) would think when at the time of renewal they will found that the price had increased from $10 to $36 or more?

If that will happen, then do they want to renew all of their TELs, part of them, or no one of them?

What forum users think about possible variants?
It's not a question of how many numbers a domain investor owns.
Everyone would think about reducing costs, doesn't matter if someone owns 1, 100 or 100000 domains.

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Post by maxi on Tue 26 Feb 2013, 9:36 am

Sunrise wrote:It's not a question of how many numbers a domain investor owns.
Everyone would think about reducing costs, doesn't matter if someone owns 1, 100 or 100000 domains.
I think thаt fоr thе оwnеr оf 1-3-5-10 dоmаins psychоlоgicаlly it is еаsiеr tо drоp thеm аll. Simply drоppеd аll оf thеm, fоr а pаrt оf thе sаvе mоnеy bоught а bоttlе оf а gооd winе, аnd аt nеxt mоrning fоrgоt аbоut thе whоlе businеss.

I try tо put mysеlf аt а plаcе оf а mаn whо hаd, fоr еxаmplе, 2000 dоmаins аnd hаd rеnеwеd thеm fоr 4 yеаrs in а rоw, spеnding еvеry yеаr sоmе $20.000 оn thеir rеnеwаls (tоtаl - $80.000) аnd whо suddеnly lеаrns thаt frоm tоdаy hе nееds tо spеnd оn thеm аlrеаdy $70.000 yеаrly. Whаt hе will fееl thеn?
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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by NewYorkCity on Tue 26 Feb 2013, 1:14 pm

Telnames answer to the question of a directory: https://www.telnames.com/faq/found/ Simple Steps to Getting Found

There are many other ‘free’ directory listing sites which can be used to link to your .tel name.
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Post by hulltv on Tue 26 Feb 2013, 3:56 pm

hats wrong with google ?


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Post by maxi on Tue 26 Feb 2013, 4:18 pm

hulltv wrote:Whats wrong with google ?
Google resembles us - people who use Telnic's TELs - in that that it do not likes one-page-TELs from Telnames. That could be the reason why Google is bad.
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Re: When Telnames will get the urgently needed directory?

Post by hulltv on Tue 26 Feb 2013, 4:32 pm

if business dont get no calls they just will not renew simple as that.....

Shops don't have time to mess about does it work no then get rid.

all this talk about a directory is just stupid nobody will use it.

all you need is more pages in your telnames maybe only three...nothing in the world will make it work. thats it....

Maxi cumon..if somethng bad its bad no directory in the world going to save this.

new managment new ideas ..............just a matter of time..


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