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How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

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How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by Toptel on Tue 12 Mar 2013, 6:01 pm

Let me get this straight:

Telnic’s registrations are going down continuously.
Telnames is not even worth mentioning (7,000 domains only).
Telnic is producing an annual loss of US$ 5 million yearly.
Telnic’s yearly income with registration fees will decline even more (see first line).

Now I'm wondering:

What is the most realistic situation after not enough money is left for operational business?
Will Telnic’s shareholders provide new cash?
Is it possible that the TLD .tel could be closed?
Will ICANN auction the TLD .tel to a new registry?
Will software development finally happen after a change of registries?
Can domain owners keep their domains after a change of registries?
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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by TelBlogger on Tue 12 Mar 2013, 7:58 pm

They will just downsize and increase the registration fees and have just a couple of employees. Don't think the extension will fold but if registrations fall to say 10,000 or so you would imagine the fee going to say $50 a year.

Our best hope is that someone buys the registry and employees people with some business intelligence to develop the extension.

The best idea is to open source the software and moderate the contributions. The current owners are not up to it. We have a search box, for instance, 4 years after launch which cannot even search a .tel thoroughly for words. A major mistake.

My belief is the Telnic is just not up to the job and a trade sale is the only hope for the extension. It's a potential money maker for a buyer with business skills.

There are just simple changes needed and registrations would increase dramatically in my opinion.
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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by TelGirl on Wed 13 Mar 2013, 4:32 am

Toptel wrote:Telnic is producing an annual loss of US$ 5 million yearly.
How is this possible? Are the costs really only salaries?
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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by Expert on Wed 13 Mar 2013, 5:07 am

TelGirl wrote:
Toptel wrote:Telnic is producing an annual loss of US$ 5 million yearly.
How is this possible? Are the costs really only salaries?
Estimation

Revenues:
250,000 .tel x $8 = $2,000,000

Expenses:
London office rent = $100,000
Server costs = $10,000
Neustar fees = $100,000
CEO salary = $1,000,000
About 5 directors' salaries = $500,000
About 10 employees' salaries = $700,000
Litigation = $200,000
Black hole = $4,390,000
Total = $7,000,000

Annual Loss:
Revenues ./. expenses = $5,000,000

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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by maxi on Wed 13 Mar 2013, 7:14 am

Expert wrote:Estimation

Expenses:
CEO salary = $1,000,000
Does this money shows his two salaries as a CEO of both Telnic and a CEO of Telnames?

Or it is only his salary as Telnic's CEO? And for the full amount we also need to add his salary as a CEO at Telnames? I.e. of about of $1,000,000 more, with a total of some $2,000,000 ?


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At least we cannot say now that it is impossible to earn money with TEL.
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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 13 Mar 2013, 9:09 am

Toptel wrote:What is the most realistic situation after not enough money is left for operational business?
Will Telnic’s shareholders provide new cash?
Is it possible that the TLD .tel could be closed?
Will ICANN auction the TLD .tel to a new registry?
Will software development finally happen after a change of registries?
Can domain owners keep their domains after a change of registries?
@Toptel - by my calculation you will have to wait to the year 2016 to get your questions answered !

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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by Telnot on Wed 13 Mar 2013, 9:15 am

Toptel wrote:Will Telnic’s shareholders provide new cash?
Maybe they won't provide new cash, but a new Kash (if you know what I mean)
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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by Admin on Wed 13 Mar 2013, 9:25 am

mikeseaton wrote:@Toptel - by my calculation you will have to wait to the year 2016 to get your questions answered !
Hopefully we don’t have to wait so long for answers about the future, but in any case I’ll keep this forum alive until then.

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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by maxi on Wed 13 Mar 2013, 10:28 am

Expert wrote:
TelGirl wrote:
Toptel wrote:Telnic is producing an annual loss of US$ 5 million yearly.
How is this possible? Are the costs really only salaries?
Estimation

Revenues:
250,000 .tel x $8 = $2,000,000

Expenses:
London office rent = $100,000
Server costs = $10,000
Neustar fees = $100,000
CEO salary = $1,000,000
About 5 directors' salaries = $500,000
About 10 employees' salaries = $700,000
Litigation = $200,000
Black hole = $4,390,000
Total = $7,000,000

Annual Loss:
Revenues ./. expenses = $5,000,000

By the way, it could be a good material for an article in an English newspaper.

For example, under the title "How one mouse had eaten the mountain of gold".

What, if forum users from UK will call to newspapers with proposition to supply available materials for such article?



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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by ily.tel on Sun 17 Mar 2013, 7:17 am

Максимка, ты неугомонный с этими телами)


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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by maxi on Sun 17 Mar 2013, 7:39 am

Thanks)

ily.tel wrote:Максимка, ты неугомонный с этими телами)
Translation: "Maxi, you are obsessed with these TELs!"

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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by MWX on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 2:49 pm

Expert wrote:Estimation

Revenues:
250,000 .tel x $8 = $2,000,000

Expenses:
London office rent = $100,000
Server costs = $10,000
Neustar fees = $100,000
CEO salary = $1,000,000
About 5 directors' salaries = $500,000
About 10 employees' salaries = $700,000
Litigation = $200,000
Black hole = $4,390,000
Total = $7,000,000

Annual Loss:
Revenues ./. expenses = $5,000,000

How long can Telnic survive with adjusted numbers in the future?

Estimation

Revenues:
130,000 .tel x $9 (after price increase) = $1,170,000

Expenses:
London office rent = $100,000
Server costs = $10,000
Neustar fees = $100,000
CEO salary = $1,000,000
About 5 directors' salaries = $500,000
About 10 employees' salaries = $700,000
Litigation = $200,000
Black hole = $4,390,000
Total = $1,410,000

Annual Loss:
Revenues ./. expenses = $240,000

After Telnic fired the whole staff, the revenues cover almost all expenses.
Conclusion: .tel won't produce any news during the next years (because the staff is gone).
Prediction: .tel will fall into oblivion.
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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by 4444 on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 3:04 pm

MWX wrote:Conclusion: .tel won't produce any news during the next years (because the staff is gone).
Prediction: .tel will fall into oblivion.

That's not a prediction; it's the current state already!
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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by MWX on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 3:09 pm

4444 wrote:... it's the current state already!
You're probably right. Meanwhile even the last fighter Mark Kolb has given up!
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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by mikeseaton on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 5:08 pm

MWX wrote:
4444 wrote:... it's the current state already!
You're probably right. Meanwhile even the last fighter Mark Kolb has given up!

I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion - Mark's site at https://www.telmasters.com is up and running and STILL DISPLAYING THE MISLEADING .TEL AD THAT SAYS...

"Over 275,000 .tel domains since March '09 and counting."

Mark - as I've posted before that ad is stating something that is simply not true - the correct total .tel registration figure today is just 131,672 !

If you were based in the UK such a continual statement of a totally untrue fact - which could lead people to make a financial purchase - would have netted you a large fine by now, with maybe even the threat of eventual imprisonment if you continue !

Mark - after it has been already brought to your attention some months ago why do you continue to display such a misleading ad ?

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Re: How the future of .tel will look after Telnic?

Post by MWX on Fri 20 Feb 2015, 5:21 pm

That confirms my assumption that Mark is just not active anymore.
He doesn't tweet and he doesn't update his websites anymore. He went into silence like all other .tel participants before.

That isn't bad, because that's the logical thing to do when a project is dying!

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