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Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by mikeseaton on Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:12 am

Just come across TPN at http://www.telnames.com/telnames-partner-network

Here's the sales pitch:

Create once and publish everywhere today with Telnames.
A good move for those with Telnames .tels - but it really does look like "game over" for the old Telnic subdomain .tel format !

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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by mikeseaton on Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:18 am

This is obviously a response to the lack of a Tel Global Directory to enable your data (Telnames only) to be found - see http://www.telnames.com/tpn-faq for FAQ.

What I do like is the idea behind this initiative - the concept of users creating or updating data once in the DNS and then it being published (or used for service creation) by various third-parties across the web - it's what .tel was designed for !

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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by Sunrise on Sat 27 Apr 2013, 4:45 pm

Excellent!
Telnic isn't doing much! But when Telnic is doing something, Telnic is doing it right.
It seems the speed is Telnic’s biggest problem.

Good about this service:
A Telname gets real value for a small business.
Further potential for realtime updates in the future.
Telnames gets a competitive advantage.
Not so good:
The most important search engine (Google) is not included (yet).
Customers outside the UK are excluded.
Telnic customers are excluded.
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by mikeseaton on Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:06 pm

@Sunrise - good summary about the situation - as usual Telnic subdomain .tel customers are excluded from the latest development - there's a message here trying to get out !

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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by silvano on Sat 27 Apr 2013, 5:57 pm

Mmmm...

9.000 Telnames domains against 220.000 other .tel domains.

About 250 new Telnames domains every week. About 3.000 in a year.

I stated that the .tel domain is a niche domain, but if we close the .tels of other registrars, then it becomes a very small niche.

And the new TLDs are just around the corner.



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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by mikeseaton on Sun 28 Apr 2013, 10:55 am

silvano wrote:Mmmm...

9.000 Telnames domains against 220.000 other .tel domains.

About 250 new Telnames domains every week. About 3.000 in a year.

I stated that the .tel domain is a niche domain, but if we close the .tels of other registrars, then it becomes a very small niche.

And the new TLDs are just around the corner.
250 x 52 = 13,000 per year - but still a "very small niche" as you say !

Telnames (aka Telnic) needs to find a way to get the existing Telnic .tels over to Telnames - or if not then somehow market both versions, though I think this would potentially be very confusing to "Joe Public".

As it stands TELNIC .TELS - with ZERO MARKETING (and no real development) taking place - will gradually wither away over the next few years, as software developers and domain registrars lose interest in them.

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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by GoTel on Sun 28 Apr 2013, 11:25 am

mikeseaton wrote:This is obviously a response to the lack of a Tel Global Directory to enable your data (Telnames only) to be found http://MikeSeaton.tel

Just one problem versus a Telnames-only directory:

"8. Why can't I find my business on your partner sites?


Whilst we pass all business data to our network partners, ultimately the individual site owners are responsible for publishing your business data on their site. We cannot guarantee your business details, or your .tel web site, will be published on all TPN sites. Also, the TPN service is only currently available to UK based businesses who register their .tel site with Telnames."

Useless for most Telnames registrants, and virtually no REAL incentive, just another ploy to circumvent the truth and get registrations.

Always side-stepping the truth instead of just putting in a REAL, GLOBAL directory like Telnic promised.

A Telnames-only directory that is GLOBAL is still key ... still.

This is just another shake-down for fools.
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by mikeseaton on Mon 29 Apr 2013, 8:53 am

@GoTel

To give Telnames newbies confidence that the sales pitch Create once and publish everywhere today with Telnames has substance would be very easy.

Simply ensure the "Partner Network brands" listed at http://www.telnames.com/telnames-partner-network are clickable links that take you to the relevant search page, then quote a few examples of Telnames domains so that users can check for themselves the presence or not of these domains on the partner sites.

The sort of mod you could code and test in a couple of hours !

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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by Bubblegum on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 6:41 am

This idea is very nice, but gets destroyed by its conditions: http://telnames.com/tpn-faq/

8. Why can't I find my business on your partner sites?
Whilst we pass all business data to our network partners, ultimately the individual site owners are responsible for publishing your business data on their site. We cannot guarantee your business details, or your .tel web site, will be published on all TPN sites.Also, the TPN service is only currently available to UK based businesses who register their .tel site via www.telnames.com.
Surely this is only a small start. If Telnames' partners will like the service, later on it can grow into a sophisticated solution via API.
But this surely won't happen before Telnames sold millions of domains. From this you can see that it will take 10 or 20 years before .tel will be noticed.

A lot of patience is required. Since Telnic doesn't work on the old .tels, don't expect anything relevant from .tel in the next years.
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by mikeseaton on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 7:15 am

Bubblegum wrote:But this surely won't happen before Telnames sold millions of domains. From this you can see that it will take 10 or 20 years before .tel will be noticed.

A lot of patience is required. Since Telnic doesn't work on the old .tels, don't expect anything relevant from .tel in the next years.
Unfortunately Telnic/Telnames hasn't got 10 or 20 years - the money is rapidly running out due to revenue from constantly declining registrations and renewals nowhere near covering operating costs !

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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by Mad Max on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 7:31 am

that is the only hope left!
as soon telnic is running out of money, hopefully .tel will fall into hands who think about developing it
i mean take a look at the templates from telnic. they cant be serious!
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by mikeseaton on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 7:35 am

Mad Max wrote:As soon Telnic is running out of money, hopefully .tel will fall into hands who think about developing it.
To quote from a previous post I made:

mikeseaton wrote:IMO Telnic Ltd. need to sell up to a more capitalised organisation, but if none of the major players are interested then http://www.Afilias.info looks like a good bet.
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by ixida on Fri 02 Aug 2013, 5:33 am

I would like to know:

  • Is any Telname listed at any Telnames partner yet?
  • Is the Telnames data distribution actually really happening?
  • What is the difference for publishing a Telname on search engines like Bing and Yahoo? Is there any difference to other websites?
  • Is this only a publicity ploy without real value?
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by Expert on Fri 02 Aug 2013, 6:01 am

ixida wrote:I would like to know:
I can only guess, but Telnic hasn't presented any proof that the TPN really exists:
  • Is any Telname listed at any Telnames partner yet? No!
  • Is the Telnames data distribution actually really happening? I doubt it!
  • What is the difference for publishing a Telname on search engines like Bing and Yahoo? None! Is there any difference to other websites? No!
  • Is this only a publicity ploy without real value? Quite likely!
Suspicious:
Such a network would be a big thing and even for insignificant news Telnic creates always a press release.
But no press release can be found for the TPN: http://blog.telnames.com/category/press-release
Until I see a .tel from Telnames at one of the partners, I assume the TPN is a fake.
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by Tely on Tue 08 Oct 2013, 1:41 pm

This should be noticed:
When businesses sign up for a Telnames .tel mobile website, Telnames will now distribute their business contact information along with their .tel site URL across a network of significant local search publisher partners including Bing, Yahoo!, BT, Scoot, 118118.com, 192.com, Local Mole and many others. Telnames captures all the relevant data from UK businesses that online directories need during the customer sign-up process, and provides this data capsule to Partner Network member directories and local search engines via an automated and regularly updated feed.
http://www.whatsyourtel.com/t91-mobile-website-leader-telnames-expands-offering-with-launch-of-local-listings-management-service-for-small-businesses
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by Tim Spears on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 3:23 am

Telnames (http://www.telnames.com), a leader in self-service mobile-friendly websites for local businesses, ...
Impressive to be a leader with only 11k domains. In comparison GoDaddy has 55m domains!
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by TELwax on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 3:57 am

It is important in the meantime, while re-introducing again its Partner Network, that TLN solves this important topic pointed in Partners Network FAQs item #8 , although TLN transparently reckons this little issue towards its customers ...


TLN (external)    Quote from TLN wn website : wrote:http://www.telnames.com/tpn-faq/   see TLN Partners Network FAQs item #8


8. Why can't I find my business on your partner sites?
Whilst we pass all business data to our network partners, ultimately the individual site owners are responsible for publishing your business data on their site. We cannot guarantee your business details, or your .tel web site, will be published on all TPN sites.Also, the TPN service is only currently available to UK based businesses who register their .tel site via www.telnames.com.
If /when this is solved, IRL TLN registrations might grow more steadily at least in UK.

In the meantime ...
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by Spocky on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 4:03 am

Do I understand it right that Telnames is sending the data to the partner network member directories via an automated feed, but these directories don't integrate these data automatically? Step 1 is Telnames sending the data, but the data receivers have no procedure to include the data in step 2? As consequence the customer data don't automatically appear in the directories!
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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 10:26 am

Spocky wrote:Do I understand it right that Telnames is sending the data to the partner network member directories via an automated feed, but these directories don't integrate these data automatically? Step 1 is Telnames sending the data, but the data receivers have no procedure to include the data in step 2? As consequence the customer data don't automatically appear in the directories!
That's the way I understand things are happening (or not as the case may be)
- which makes a nonsense of the whole concept of DNS integration providing automatic real-time updating !

This tallies with what happened a few months ago - I got a call about a couple of my main .tel domains, from one of the Partner Network organisations, asking for FURTHER DETAILS of my business WHICH WERE ALREADY PRESENT ON THE .TEL they were enquiring about !

No phone calls to .tel owners should be necessary - period - the data should be taken directly and automatically (via an RSS Feed) from the information stored in the .tel's DNS !

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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 10:39 am

mikeseaton wrote:@GoTel

To give Telnames newbies confidence that the sales pitch Create once and publish everywhere today with Telnames has substance would be very easy.

Simply ensure the "Partner Network brands" listed at http://www.telnames.com/telnames-partner-network are clickable links that take you to the relevant search page, then quote a few examples of Telnames domains so that users can check for themselves the presence or not of these domains on the partner sites.

The sort of mod you could code and test in a couple of hours !
A question for Telnames re the above post made on 29 April 2013.

Why has this simple mod, which would increase TPN credibility hugely (assumng the .tels were present on the partner sites), not happened yet ?

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Re: Telnames Partner Network introduced

Post by Spocky on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 10:50 am

@mikeseaton

Thank you. Then I don't understand the purpose of yesterday's press release as long everything stays as it is!
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Post by Tim Spears on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 11:04 am

mikeseaton wrote:This tallies with what happened a few months ago - I got a call about a couple of my main .tel domains, from one of the Partner Network organisations, asking for FURTHER DETAILS of my business WHICH WERE ALREADY PRESENT ON THE .TEL they were enquiring about !
I'm really interested in seeing the data of a Telname in a directory. It's still unknown whether a publication is actually taking place.
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Post by Sunrise on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 12:35 pm

Spocky wrote:Then I don't understand the purpose of yesterday's press release as long everything stays as it is!
It's only a little bit of marketing in combination with this:
http://www.teltalk.org/t828p56-telnames-price-hike-from-1495-to-2495#9091
The next step will be the observation of the Telnames sales with the reduced price by Telnic for the next 9 months before something is happening again.
But I don't see momentum for an old product with the known deficits.
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Post by 4444 on Tue 01 Jul 2014, 2:28 pm

Tim Spears wrote:I'm really interested in seeing the data of a Telname in a directory. It's still unknown whether a publication is actually taking place.

Meanwhile the note about Telnames Partner Network has disappeared from Telnames homepage. (Due to inactivity?)

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