WWW . TEL . COMMUNITY - The .tel domain forum

Welcome to the Tel.community.

You are invited to participate in the growing .tel
community!

To take full advantage of everything offered by
our forum, please log in if you are already a
member or join our community if you're not yet.

The registration at TelTalk.org is free and easy!

Thank you for participation!
WWW . TEL . COMMUNITY - The .tel domain forum

Welcome to the objective forum for .tel domains! Read it first when anything is happening with .tel!

Please join the LIVE CHAT for all REGISTERED members at the bottom of our forum!

WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Share
avatar
OMG
Newbie
Newbie

Join date : 2013-05-09
Posts : 5 Points : 1670
Reputation : 5
Warning level : 100 %

WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by OMG on Thu 09 May 2013, 12:19 pm

Telnic canceled already most of the support for their customers. This week Aled Williams from Telnic didn’t exclude the possibility to shut down the service for all registrars, so probably all directory owners will be forced to transfer their domains to Telnames in a few years. Indirectly he even announced this step:
We obviously can’t predict the future, but we currently have no plans to change the service provided through the Community TelHosting Platform provided for free via Registrars. As has always been the case, we will of course inform the community if any changes to the service are made, via Registrar communications, through the forum and through other social media channels. Registrars can provide all or a sub-set of features depending on their service as specified in the RRA and as has been the case since launch.
I assume the decision from Telnic will depend on the situation if registrars will develop their own control panel or not (as stated in his last sentence). Assuming that registrars won't offer additional services, certainly Telnic won't support the sales through registrars anymore. In this case directory owners have to calculate higher registration fees and the cancelation of sub-domains. Maybe Telnames will offer sub-domains for old customers from Telnic for a premium price then.
To get more clarification about this, it would be good if this issue gets reassured at ICANN.

maxi
Insider
Insider

Join date : 2012-08-27
Posts : 987 Points : 21952
Reputation : 466
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by maxi on Thu 09 May 2013, 2:49 pm

OMG wrote:This week Aled Williams from Telnic ...
We obviously can’t predict the future, but we currently have no plans to change the service provided through the Community TelHosting Platform provided for free via Registrars. As has always been the case, we will of course inform the community if any changes to the service are made, via Registrar communications, through the forum and through other social media channels. Registrars can provide all or a sub-set of features depending on their service as specified in the RRA and as has been the case since launch.
OMG, from what source you got that quotation?
avatar
OMG
Newbie
Newbie

Join date : 2013-05-09
Posts : 5 Points : 1670
Reputation : 5
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by OMG on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:11 pm

It's the latest statement from him on the restricted Telnic forum (not accessible for the public).
avatar
NewYorkCity
Advanced Member
Advanced Member

Join date : 2012-10-12
Posts : 71 Points : 3445
Reputation : 58
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by NewYorkCity on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:34 pm

OMG wrote:Registrars can provide all or a sub-set of features depending on their service as specified in the RRA and as has been the case since launch.
RAA = Registry-Registrar-Agreement: www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/registries/tel/tel-agreement-07apr06-en.htm
avatar
Spocky
Advanced Member
Advanced Member

Join date : 2012-09-09
Posts : 123 Points : 4603
Reputation : 79
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Spocky on Thu 09 May 2013, 3:44 pm

ARTICLE VII Special Provisions

Section VII.1Registry Operator-Registrar Agreement.

(b) Registry Operator (Telnic) Shall Not Act as Own Registrar (Telnames). Registry Operator shall not act as a registrar with respect to the TLD. This shall not preclude Registry Operator from registering names within the TLD to itself through a request made to an ICANN-accredited registrar.

(c)Restrictions on Acquisition of Ownership or Controlling Interest in Registrar. Registry Operator (Telnic) shall not acquire, directly or indirectly, control of, or a greater than fifteen percent ownership interest in, any ICANN-accredited registrar (Telnames) without ICANN's prior written approval, which approval shall not be unreasonably withheld.


This problem gets more complicated now.
New question: Is Telnic allowed to stop the service for registrars?
avatar
Sunrise
Insider
Insider

Join date : 2012-08-10
Posts : 735 Points : 19514
Reputation : 540
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Sunrise on Thu 09 May 2013, 4:21 pm

Spocky wrote:Is Telnic allowed to stop the service for registrars?
Who cares?
http://registrarstats.com/TLDHistoryChart.aspx?TLDName=TEL
avatar
Scott Ray
Newbie
Newbie

Join date : 2013-01-05
Posts : 15 Points : 2129
Reputation : 21
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Scott Ray on Thu 09 May 2013, 4:52 pm

Before this discussion is drifting away, I like to make a reasonable comment that represents the mutual voice of all Telnic customers:
What we all are missing is a commitment from Telnic to bring forward the prospects for ALL customers (and with this for Telnic itself)!
avatar
mikeseaton
High-Flyer
High-Flyer

Location : Dorset UK
Join date : 2012-06-11
Posts : 2195 Points : 44488
Reputation : 834
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by mikeseaton on Fri 10 May 2013, 9:19 am

I'm not surprised at Aled's careful wording - here's a post I made 2 days ago.

mikeseaton wrote:What surprises me is that some forum members still seem to think there will be further development and marketing of the original Telnic subdomain .tels, despite all the evidence supplied by Telnic/Telnames to the contrary ie:

mikeseaton wrote:- Telnic have cancelled their .tel Roadmap
- Telnic have cancelled their .Telegraph Newsletter
- Telnic have put their Forum into "lockdown" mode
- Telnic have put a stop to any real development of subdomain .tels
- The new iPhone & Android apps are only for Telnames .tels
- The Affiliate Program is only for Telnames .tels
- The TV ads, Business shows, Radio interviews, etc are only for Telnames .tels

IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS - Telnic subdomain .tels have no marketable future !
When the message gets through I expect many existing Telnic subdomain .tel registrants will also quit the .tel project.

BUT I just have this feeling that Telnic/Telnames may be OK with this - it's obvious they have decided the future lies with Telnames single-page .tels - the only problem is how to get rid of the thousands of existing Telnic subdomain .tels ?

I could be wrong about this of course, and Telnic may suddenly re-introduce the .tel Roadmap, restart the .Telegraph Newsletter, remove "lockdown" from their Forum and start to develop the Telnic subdomain .tel format again.

But all the evidence supplied by them so far would suggest I am right !
http://MikeSeaton.tel


___________________________________________________
Domain Sales: Afternic | Domains 123 |  Sedo
eBay Sites: Mike 321 UK | UK Marine Sales | UK Model Centre
Search Engines: Web | Video | Facebook | Google+ | Pinterest | Tel | Twitter
avatar
Natal
Advanced Member
Advanced Member

Join date : 2012-08-07
Posts : 63 Points : 3292
Reputation : 26
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Natal on Fri 10 May 2013, 9:30 am

This all is only a strategic decision. Domain investors think Telnic is responsible for marketing and developing templates. Actually Telnic is only the supplier for the infrastructure. Marketing and development is responsibility of the registrars. This difference in thinking is the cause for all the confusion. The only problem is that registrars have no interest in developing templates. The success depends on the ability of Telnic to involve registrars actively. Admittedly so far Telnic didn't succeed with this, but Telnic needs to strengthen the relationships with registrars (not to weaken them).
avatar
mikeseaton
High-Flyer
High-Flyer

Location : Dorset UK
Join date : 2012-06-11
Posts : 2195 Points : 44488
Reputation : 834
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by mikeseaton on Fri 10 May 2013, 10:31 am

Natal wrote:Domain investors think Telnic is responsible for marketing and developing templates.
TELNIC IS RESPONSIBLE !

Without the Telnic templates the subdomain tels are unusable by the average user (who won't know about or use 3rd party tools), since this is the only way data can be input (via Telnic's control panel) and displayed (via Telnic's desktop/mobile proxies).

Natal wrote:Marketing and development is responsibility of the registrars.
NO IT ISN'T !

Registrars have clearly shown in the 4 years since the launch of .tel that they have NO INTEREST in developing .tel control panels and desktop/mobile proxies.

Not surprising at all, since their business model is built around the registration and renewal of as many domains as possible, NOT software development.

http://MikeSeaton.tel


___________________________________________________
Domain Sales: Afternic | Domains 123 |  Sedo
eBay Sites: Mike 321 UK | UK Marine Sales | UK Model Centre
Search Engines: Web | Video | Facebook | Google+ | Pinterest | Tel | Twitter
avatar
NewYorkCity
Advanced Member
Advanced Member

Join date : 2012-10-12
Posts : 71 Points : 3445
Reputation : 58
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by NewYorkCity on Fri 10 May 2013, 10:58 am

Interesting question!

Tasks
.com / .net
.tel
RegistryAdministrationAdministration
RegistrarsSalesSales
DevelopersDesignNot permitted

No wonder that nobody is developing .tel, because it was just forgotten to assign somebody for this task!

maxi
Insider
Insider

Join date : 2012-08-27
Posts : 987 Points : 21952
Reputation : 466
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by maxi on Fri 10 May 2013, 11:00 am

Natal wrote:Domain investors think Telnic is responsible for marketing and developing templates. Actually Telnic is only the supplier for the infrastructure. Marketing and development is responsibility of the registrars.
If it is really so, then seems for me, that this company lives in the world of fantacy. They invent their own rules about business and think that World will play by these their rules.

Natal wrote:The only problem is that registrars have no interest in developing templates.
No wonder that serious people do not want to do the job, which is not their's.
avatar
mikeseaton
High-Flyer
High-Flyer

Location : Dorset UK
Join date : 2012-06-11
Posts : 2195 Points : 44488
Reputation : 834
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by mikeseaton on Sun 12 May 2013, 7:49 am

I wonder how many .tel directory developers and power users will take the warning in this thread seriously and adjust their forward business plans accordingly ?

Telnic could allay concerns with a clear statement that subdomains on .tel do have a secure future, but that needs to be backed up of course by firm action by them in the development and marketing of the original subdomain format .tels.

As always, Actions Speak Louder Than Words !

http://MikeSeaton.tel


___________________________________________________
Domain Sales: Afternic | Domains 123 |  Sedo
eBay Sites: Mike 321 UK | UK Marine Sales | UK Model Centre
Search Engines: Web | Video | Facebook | Google+ | Pinterest | Tel | Twitter
avatar
TelWorld
Junior Member
Junior Member

Join date : 2012-07-16
Posts : 32 Points : 2146
Reputation : 9
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by TelWorld on Sun 12 May 2013, 9:25 am

mikeseaton wrote:Telnic could allay concerns with a clear statement that subdomains on .tel do have a secure future, but that needs to be backed up of course by firm action by them in the development and marketing of the original subdomain format .tels.
Have you ever seen people more stubborn than Telnic? Don't expect any change soon!
avatar
Toptel
Senior Member
Senior Member

Join date : 2012-07-02
Posts : 441 Points : 12122
Reputation : 317
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Toptel on Sun 12 May 2013, 3:09 pm

Every company with drastic customer shrinkage and big yearly losses has to adjust the business.
At the moment Telnic is still convinced Telnames will be a success.
We have to wait a few more years until Telnic concedes.
From the (not existing) reaction you can see Telnic doesn’t believe the voices on this forum.
Give them a few more years and they will learn their lesson.
avatar
mikeseaton
High-Flyer
High-Flyer

Location : Dorset UK
Join date : 2012-06-11
Posts : 2195 Points : 44488
Reputation : 834
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by mikeseaton on Sun 12 May 2013, 4:52 pm

Toptel wrote:We have to wait a few more years until Telnic concedes.
From the (not existing) reaction you can see Telnic doesn’t believe the voices on this forum.
Give them a few more years and they will learn their lesson.
Unfortunately TIME IS NOT ON TELNIC'S SIDE !

With both Telnic Ltd. and Telnames Ltd. incurring substantial ongoing losses the original $35,000,000 shareholder investment looks likely to run out by 2016 or before.

Couple that with nearly 2000 new gTLD opportunities coming up for software developers, domain investors and power users, the .tel extension is in danger of drifting into obscurity.

As our great wartime leader Winston Churchill used to say - ACTION THIS DAY ! - but of course it won't happen as no-one is working at Telnic's offices on a Sunday.

The internet is a 24/7/365 business - the staffing at a company trying to change the way the world communicates should reflect this - ask Facebook or Google !

http://MikeSeaton.tel


___________________________________________________
Domain Sales: Afternic | Domains 123 |  Sedo
eBay Sites: Mike 321 UK | UK Marine Sales | UK Model Centre
Search Engines: Web | Video | Facebook | Google+ | Pinterest | Tel | Twitter
avatar
Toptel
Senior Member
Senior Member

Join date : 2012-07-02
Posts : 441 Points : 12122
Reputation : 317
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Toptel on Sun 12 May 2013, 5:26 pm

I think Telnic is not in a hurry, because Telnic doesn't want to bring success to .tel with a lot of effort.
Instead Telnic is waiting for another provider creating a successful service based on .tel.
Success won't come from Telnic; somebody else needs to be found.
So please don't be surprised if you don't hear anything from Telnic for the next few years.
avatar
Expert
Insider
Insider

Join date : 2012-08-10
Posts : 522 Points : 12435
Reputation : 351
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Expert on Wed 15 May 2013, 10:44 pm

Once again Telnic is much smarter than all of us!
We obviously can’t predict the future, but we currently have no plans to change the service provided through the Community TelHosting Platform provided for free via Registrars.
If you read between the lines, you can foresee that the plan is that Telnic will charge fees for using the control panel.
avatar
mikeseaton
High-Flyer
High-Flyer

Location : Dorset UK
Join date : 2012-06-11
Posts : 2195 Points : 44488
Reputation : 834
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by mikeseaton on Thu 16 May 2013, 8:11 am

Expert wrote:
We obviously can’t predict the future, but we currently have no plans to change the service provided through the Community TelHosting Platform provided for free via Registrars.
If you read between the lines, you can foresee that the plan is that Telnic will charge fees for using the control panel.
Over the next couple of years registrars are going to be able to pick and choose which of the nearly 2000 new gTLDs they sell.

Currently one existing gTLD - Telnic subdomain .tels - requires that they invest in additional server resources and expensive staff time to run the CP/CTH software.

Additionally, if you've picked up .tels "on the drop", you will be aware that there can be transfer issues which the gaining registrar has to manually resolve regarding a successful release from the losing registrar's CTH. These issues do get sorted out, but it all takes valuable staff time not demanded by any other domain extension.

Couple that with constantly falling Telnic subdomain .tel total registrations and it starts becoming unattractive to registrars.

If, as "Expert" suggests, charging is introduced by Telnic for the CP/CTH software (distributed by Telnic for registars to install) then I doubt many registrars would bother to sell Telnic subdomain .tels any more.

IMO this would cause the Telnic subdomain .tel to disappear quite quickly leaving only the Telnames single-page .tels left !

http://MikeSeaton.tel


___________________________________________________
Domain Sales: Afternic | Domains 123 |  Sedo
eBay Sites: Mike 321 UK | UK Marine Sales | UK Model Centre
Search Engines: Web | Video | Facebook | Google+ | Pinterest | Tel | Twitter
avatar
Toptel
Senior Member
Senior Member

Join date : 2012-07-02
Posts : 441 Points : 12122
Reputation : 317
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Toptel on Thu 16 May 2013, 8:34 am

Expert wrote:If you read between the lines, you can foresee that the plan is that Telnic will charge fees for using the control panel.
That's an interesting thought.
Telnic would reach the target of dismantling the old customer base even quicker and on the way earning some extra money.
Telnic surely can use every extra penny.
avatar
Toptel
Senior Member
Senior Member

Join date : 2012-07-02
Posts : 441 Points : 12122
Reputation : 317
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Toptel on Thu 16 May 2013, 8:36 am


maxi
Insider
Insider

Join date : 2012-08-27
Posts : 987 Points : 21952
Reputation : 466
Warning level : 100 %

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by maxi on Thu 16 May 2013, 9:02 am

Expert wrote:Once again Telnic is much smarter than all of us!
We obviously can’t predict the future, but we currently have no plans to change the service provided through the Community TelHosting Platform provided for free via Registrars.
If you read between the lines, you can foresee that the plan is that Telnic will charge fees for using the control panel.
I think thаt this mоvе tасtiсаlly соuld sееm аs а stеp оf brining sоmе аdditiоnаl prоfit fоr а соmpаny, but strаtеgiсаlly it will соursе thе lоss оf а pоssiblе prоfit.

In Lithuаniаn lаnguаgе thеrе is аn еxprеssiоn "blusinеjimаs", whiсh соuld bе trаnslаtеd аs "tо bе busy in саtсhing flеаs". It is usеd tо dеsсribе а situаtiоn whеn instеаd оf mаking impоrtаnt things, а pеrsоn is busy in а smаll аnd nоn-еssеntiаl оссupаtiоn. Fоr еxаmplе, whеn instеаd оf thinking hоw tо dеvеlоp businеss tо еаrn billiоns, thаt pеrsоn usеs аll his rеsourсеs in trying tо еаrn fеw аdditiоnаl thоusаnds.

Whеn instеаd оf trying tо еxpаnd сustоmеr bаsе tо multi-milliоns units, sоmеbоdy try tо еаrn fеw mоrе buсks оn intrоduсing а pаid pаnеl - thаt rеsеmblе mе thаt prосеss оf "саtсhing оf flеаs".


________________________________________
www.Dailininkas.com _ www.Painting-Artist.com

Sponsored content

Re: WARNING FOR ALL .TEL DIRECTORY OWNERS

Post by Sponsored content


    Current date/time is Sat 22 Jul 2017, 10:34 am