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Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by 247 on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 8:00 am

Justin Hayward on 10-17-2011 wrote:Mike, always assume there's nothing going on, that 'what you see is what you get' and base your use of .tel and your domain purchases accordingly. As with previous requests of this nature, we never respond to requests for information on which to base an investment strategy. We are a Registry Operator and do not provide investment advice.

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Meaning:

  • No websites for .tel!
  • No development for .tel!
  • No additional features for .tel in the future!
  • No innovation for .tel!
  • No interest in growth!
  • No activity beyond administration of domain names!
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by mikeseaton on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 8:56 am

@247 - I remember that Telnic forum conversation with Justin Hayward

I wasn't asking for investment advice, as Justin implies, just an explanation as to what was going on with the .tel project - I felt that the "ecosystem" (developers, domainers, registrars, users) deserved that, given the time and money they had already invested.

As can be seen Justin, on behalf of Telnic, did not see the need to keep interested parties informed and on board - even the Roadmap disappeared !

I eventually got permanently banned from Telnic's forum when I refused to toe the "party line" and insisted on speaking the truth about a very unsatisfactory situation that had developed as a result of actions Telnic had taken on the .tel project !

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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by TelBlogger on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 9:02 am

The conclusion is clear: dump your .tels because in its current form it is clearly the very worst of all the many domain extensions available.

The post is a timely reminder for those thinking of renewing in the coming weeks and months. You will be pouring your money down the toilet. Instead find a real extension.
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by mikeseaton on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 9:46 am

TelBlogger wrote:The conclusion is clear: dump your .tels because in its current form it is clearly the very worst of all the many domain extensions available.

Although I, like most other .tel developers/domainers, have dropped a large number of .tel domains in my portfolio, there is an alternative strategy to completely abandoning the investment forum members have made in the .tel project.

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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by Toptel on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 10:28 am

247 wrote:Meaning:

  • No websites for .tel!
  • No development for .tel!
  • No additional features for .tel in the future!
  • No innovation for .tel!
  • No interest in growth!
  • No activity beyond administration of domain names!


... no directory!
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by Telnot on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 10:35 am

Justin Hayward hasn't understood that part of a successful company is more than just waiting for serendipity to strike. But nowadays it isn't easy to find employees deeply committed to business targets.
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by mikeseaton on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 12:25 pm

Toptel wrote:
247 wrote:Meaning:

  • No websites for .tel!
  • No development for .tel!
  • No additional features for .tel in the future!
  • No innovation for .tel!
  • No interest in growth!
  • No activity beyond administration of domain names!


... no directory!

Telnic actually believe - and clearly say so on their web site - that they have created the The World's Only Real-Time Global Directory !

What can you do when faced with such an absurd official statement ?

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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by 247 on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 1:14 pm

Justin Hayward shows indeed no signs of activity:

Justin Hayward on 09-14-2011 wrote:Mike

You obviously think we have been sitting on our hands for two and a half years. Quite frankly, that is an extremely derogatory comment to the people that work here.

What you seem to have overlooked is that there are a lot of moving parts when it comes to doing deals with .tel. Some of these are out of our control.

An example. Last year we had a very positive reaction from a major European high street retailer of mobile phones who was looking to integrate the .tel offer into their web offering. They loved the product, saw a good fit and liked the apps we had developed. However, when it came to the crunch, the registrar they were looking to work with let the whole thing down with the purchase process, and interest went dead. Will we get a second chance? I don't know.

I am not going to outline all of the efforts that we have gone to and continue to undertake to engage with the very companies that you're talking about. And to refer to a press release from Siter that sponsored the ICANN conference of proof that we're doing nothing in this arena is poor show. Sitter uses a proprietary database of non-live information and which provides just one way of interacting with a company - by phone. I'm not decrying their efforts and we keep a close eye on developments.

Getting a phone manufacturer to embed a domain dialler in their handset is a huge challenge. Have we been talking to companies about it? Sure. Do you know how many layers of people you have to go through, how quickly people join and leave these organisations and how many priorities they have?

So whilst I appreciate you are frustrated, please remember that actually we are all working to deliver a common goal. We also have priorities to work through and are aware of the pressure of time. So whilst we appreciate the candour of the discussion in this forum, please again be aware that when we have successes we will share them and where there are things that don't go so well, rather than apportion blame, we move on and work to achieve what we can in another direction.

If it was true what he said, why nobody has heard from Telnic during the last 3 years?
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by mikeseaton on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 1:45 pm

247 wrote:Justin Hayward shows indeed no signs of activity:

Justin Hayward on 09-14-2011 wrote:Mike

What you seem to have overlooked is that there are a lot of moving parts when it comes to doing deals with .tel. Some of these are out of our control.

However, when it came to the crunch, the registrar they were looking to work with let the whole thing down with the purchase process, and interest went dead. Will we get a second chance? I don't know.

We also have priorities to work through and are aware of the pressure of time.

If it was true what he said, why nobody has heard from Telnic during the last 3 years?

@247 - another quote from my conversations with Justin Hayward on Telnic's forum !

What Justin unfortunately fails to understand is that CUSTOMERS DON'T CARE ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT A SUPPLIER FINDS IT TO DELIVER THE PROMISED GOODS OR SERVICE !

The supplier's job is to deliver what the customers, having paid their money, can reasonably expect - or even to over deliver (and have delighted customers) - not to complain about how difficult they find it to do their job !

IF THE HEAT'S TOO HOT IN THE KITCHEN THEN QUIT BEING A CHEF !

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Post by Toptel on Mon 21 Apr 2014, 2:43 pm

Already in 2011, Justin Hayward confessed with this statement that he is overwhelmed with this job.
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Post by di7 on Tue 22 Apr 2014, 12:40 am

Toptel wrote:... he is overwhelmed with this job.

I doubt Justin Hayward likes to read it, but the performance of a qualified Business Development Director looks different:
http://registrarstats.com/TLDHistoryChart.aspx?TLDName=TEL
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by let on Tue 22 Apr 2014, 10:54 am

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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by TelUniverse on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 3:16 am

when the business director of a company starts justifying why the business is running bad, then you know in what direction the business is heading
an innovative business would start exploring new ways to find new customers; but telnic is only cutting services more and more
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by HeavenAndHell on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 12:12 pm

It isn't the fault of Justin that he isn't able to sell an useless product.
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Post by Toptel on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:06 pm

HeavenAndHell wrote:It isn't the fault of Justin that he isn't able to sell an useless product.

Is it not his responsibility to develop a usable one?
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 1:34 pm

Toptel wrote:
HeavenAndHell wrote:It isn't the fault of Justin that he isn't able to sell an useless product.

Is it not his responsibility to develop a usable one?

Justin Hayward's job - in his own words - is Business Development and Communications Director for Telnic.

So NO he is not responsible for product deveopment.

But he IS responsible for developing Telnic's business in the marketplace and for communicating with everyone regarding Telnic's .tel product.

I will resist the temptation to make any further comment !

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Post by Toptel on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 2:13 pm

mikeseaton wrote:But he IS responsible for developing Telnic's business in the marketplace and for communicating with everyone regarding Telnic's .tel product.

So what is he busy with since several years???
No communication has come from Telnic since many years!
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 5:58 pm


@Silvano - You're right - it's definitely Telnic's Justin Hayward - note the bio info at http://uk.linkedin.com/in/justinhayward which references Leeds University as does your link at
https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Justin_K_Hayward_The_Luck_Particle?id=h8tGAwAAQBAJ
which also mentions DEMO Fall as shown in the image on http://Justin.tel

With a recent publication date of 1 March 2014 for his book it's not surprising there's little time left for Justin to communicate with the likes of us !

Probably a smart move by Justin to move into writing - the money must be getting pretty low at Telnic and sooner or later staff may have to be "let go" - unless of course the shareholders cough up another $35,000,000 !

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Post by di7 on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 6:17 pm

247 wrote:Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive
Justin Hayward wrote:Over the past few years, I've been slowly kicking about a story into novel format. It's been a long and difficult process, but I'm pleased to say it's now here.
http://retrospectivefutureologist.blogspot.de/2014/03/the-luck-particle.html
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Post by Toptel on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 6:20 pm

That explains why he has no time for .tel anymore.
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Re: Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

Post by Toptel on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 6:23 pm

247 wrote:Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive

This statement has now received an additional meaning!
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Post by mikeseaton on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 6:23 pm

di7 wrote:
247 wrote:Justin Hayward explains why .Tel has no chance to survive
Justin Hayward wrote:Over the past few years, I've been slowly kicking about a story into novel format. It's been a long and difficult process, but I'm pleased to say it's now here.
http://retrospectivefutureologist.blogspot.de/2014/03/the-luck-particle.html

@dl7 - looks like we won't get much "communication" from Justin in the future either if this quote from the above link is anything to go by:

I'm currently starting to frame the second book in terms of where the story goes from here.

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Post by let on Wed 23 Apr 2014, 6:30 pm

mikeseaton wrote:looks like we won't get much "communication" from Justin in the future either

Hopefully he'll leave his chair for someone who takes his job a little more seriously.

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