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Post by Telnic on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 4:18 pm

tony mayo03-23-2011 11:04 PM




Brass Neck!
 
Is there anyhing we can do about this? 

Or does it come with the territory?

http://ballina.tel-4.com/

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)03-23-2011 11:11 PM




Dunno, but it's worse than you think...
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&h...ecd38e41c3b3f2

Mark

Bunjie03-23-2011 11:42 PM




Well I like the blue icons http://bunjie.tel-4.com

But we all ready know about him and anyway .tel is about sharing the information with other services and having it embedable within them via the DNS lookup, just what hes done is what other services will and can and should do, that will drive traffic to our services.

It's the reverse of domain parking, If you own domains and park them all thoes domains get like 1 click it all adds up, if you can embed your data in 50,000 sites then all thoes clicks add up to sales.

The only issue is if you don't want to do that = buy a none .tel domain.

I'm not on his side but if we punish him, well when Google puts our data in their services will you be upset? what about other services who will embed our data?

As long as Google ranks you higher than his indexed pages, and hes not making thousands off you, It's not a problem but you're entitled to your opinion and I'm sure you have a diffrent point of view.

mikeseaton03-24-2011 12:00 AM




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Originally Posted by tony mayo (Post 13626)
Is there anyhing we can do about this? 

http://ballina.tel-4.com/



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No you can't.

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Originally Posted by tony mayo (Post 13626)
Or does it come with the territory?

http://ballina.tel-4.com/



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Yes it does.

Hi Tony,

This is our old friend, J Louis (posted here as J Louis Biz) of Thetabiz in Panama, who Mark had some run-ins in a major way, and I had a few minor ones, before he got banned from this forum.

But he was right about one thing, once you submit your data to Telnic's DNS you completely lose any copyright claim to it - Telnic make this data freely available to anyone to exploit in any way they see fit, including of course smartphone software developers.

Some companies such as eBay insist that users who read their data through their API have to quote an access key to read the data, enabling eBay to cancel the key if they don't like what they are doing - Telnic does not currently use any such system.

What I think some people have difficulty getting their head round is that the proxy information displayed on say my domainhttp://domains123.tel is not a web site in the sense that data is derived from the domain owners database and web server - it is simply a reader reading directly from the DNS, formatting it nicely, and putting it on the screen.

I used to mind about this but I don't now, and have no objection at all to J Louis having a domain http://domains123.tel-4.com, which uses the data on http://domains123.tel

The reason for this is that my original site http://domains123.tel always seems to come higher on the search engines thanhttp://domains123.tel-4.com so it is not a threat to me there, but the main reason is that http://domains123.tel-4.com is providing the web site links on my .tel with some 1-way (the best kind) link juice and seems to be sufficiently different (when you include surrounding coding) not to cause a duplicate content penalty - at least that's been my experience with http://domains123.tel

So there you have it - Dot Tel is a totally different concept to other domain extensions - it is a DNS-based system freely available to anyone to read and exploit - it just takes a little while to get used to stop thinking of MyDomain.tel as your own web site!

Mike Seaton[/size]

tony mayo03-24-2011 12:04 AM




Piracy!

Part of the digital life.

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So there you have it - Dot Tel is a totally different concept to other domain extensions - it is a DNS-based system freely available to anyone to read and exploit - it just takes a little while to get used to stop thinking of MyDomain.tel as your own web site!


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Thanks Mike. 

You've explained a number of points very well that I wasn't previously aware of, particularly in relation to the copyright issue.

I am also finding that my directories rank higher, but I'm not so sure about the linking benefits.[/size]

maximka03-24-2011 12:17 AM




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mikeseaton03-24-2011 12:45 AM




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Originally Posted by maximka (Post 13632)
No, you not lose copyright. It would be the same thing - if you don't lock you home, it does not mean that anybody has the right to come in and to take whatever he likes from your home. The absence of a lock on your home's door does not mean that anyone can steal you things from your home.


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Maximka, you do lose copyright once you submit your data to Telnic's DNS - unless this was the case Telnic would not be able to make the data available to anyone to read and publish as they do - including as I mentioned smartphone software developers who will be bringing us a lot of benefit in the coming years.

The golden rule with Dot Tel data is - if you don't want it published on the web then don't enter it into Telnic's DNS in the first place!

Mike Seaton[/size]

maximka03-24-2011 02:22 AM




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mikeseaton03-24-2011 03:06 AM




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Originally Posted by maximka (Post 13634)
mikeseaton, this is a standard disclaimer taken from the book:

I think it covers all variants of using copyright material without permission of the owner - with no difference, are these materials published on paper, signboards, movies, radio, web-sites, DNS, by Telnic, by BBC, or by any other means - including those, which are not existing now but will exist in future.



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Maximka, what you fail to understand with your quote is that Telnic is the "owner" of the data once you decide to enter data into their DNS - so any permission to allow others to publish is granted by them, not you - this is what I have been saying in my posts!

Mike Seaton[/size]

Cees03-24-2011 05:37 AM




Small sample I know, however Loius sites take a lot longer to load, Bunjie's was especially slow.

Cees03-24-2011 10:07 AM




If you check any .tel, pick one or two at random and I think you'll find Loius has given it the treatment, I think he's just about performed his magic on all .tels.

Cees03-24-2011 10:13 AM




Interestingly he's done his own as well.

tony mayo03-24-2011 11:11 AM




Mike's information on the copyright has cleared this issue up for me. We will just have to live with that reality. 

What should interest us all much more is Mike's comments about
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smartphone software developers who will be bringing us a lot of benefit in the coming years.


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I would like to hear more about these likely future developments in another post sometime. 

And just to add a positive note - without getting off topic - the recent addition of GA has revealed huge positives about my .tel portfolio and its potential particularly in the smartphone market that MIke refers to.[/size]

dottel03-24-2011 11:50 AM




There should be some options like robots.txt and other features to restrict such crawlers/scripts.
Tel owners should have such control over their domains

maximka03-24-2011 11:53 AM




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dottel03-24-2011 11:57 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by tony mayo (Post 13626)
Is there anyhing we can do about this? 

Or does it come with the territory?

http://ballina.tel-4.com/



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Try this http://www.google.com/support/bin/st....cs&ts=1114905[/size]

maximka03-24-2011 11:59 AM




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dottel03-24-2011 12:01 PM




Report it to abuse@infolink.com
this is where it is hosted http://www.serverpronto.com

dottel03-24-2011 12:07 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by tony mayo (Post 13626)
Is there anyhing we can do about this? 

Or does it come with the territory?

http://ballina.tel-4.com/



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Also you can report to Godaddy that where the domain is registered
https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/Abuse/SpamReport.aspx

make sure you explain in detail when you send such reports and don't just send this is spam (i mean in one or three lines).

If more number of people complain then they will surely (either of these 3 companies will block/suspend/remove the site/domain)[/size]

nadya03-24-2011 12:07 PM




As specified in the AUP, Telnic does not own the data – it is you as the .tel owner who owns and controls information in your .tel domain. If you own the copyright for that information and do not wish it to be replicated or republished elsewhere, you can add a copyright notice using a text field on your .tel, and/or linking to your full Legal and Privacy statement, to give you more grounds to file a DMCA request to Google against any violators. 

Setting aside this particular service which has been discussed before, open access to .tel data indeed makes it easier for various services and applications to integrate with it. For example, the .tel superbook app or voipGATE’s softphone both read the DNS and do amazing things with it, like showing your friends on a map or dialling .tel names directly. This type of access is read-only, unlike any read-write access that would enable a third-party service to control your data and manage it. For that level of access, Telnic provides APIs and supports OpenAuth, a secure protocol that enables .tel owners to control the level of access provided for any application or service. Telmasters, TelCP and other apps and services use OAuth to help you manage your .tels more efficiently and open up new opportunities.

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