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The Reality of .Tel

Post by Telnic on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 5:39 pm

mikeseaton09-10-2011 12:45 AM




The Reality of .Tel
 
I have started this thread in the "General" section of the forum so it is only read by signed-up forum members and not by non-registered casual visitors.

Quote:



Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 17362)
See my post #3. But, alas, no one responded.

Mark



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See also my post http://telnic.org/forum/showthread.php?p=17200, but again no response from Telnic.

I remember Justin saying in an interview that Telnic was the longest startup in internet history. Telnic was incorporated as a UK company on 29 April 1998 as Ixtel Ltd., the name being changed to Telnic Ltd. on 8 September 1999.

That makes it over 13 years since the company was formed to develop .tel - about the same age as Google and older than Facebook !

I assume it's the calm before the storm - just not sure how long domain investors and software developers can put up with no information about how .tel is going to get out on the streets as a mass market product.

We all want .tel to succeed but with any investment (whether in time and/or money) there is a point at which reality has to be faced.

I'm starting to get nervous about .tel - the roadmap has now been removed - some domain investors and software developers have already given up - we really do need good reasons to continue to "keep the faith".

Telnic - can you please give us something concrete to show a route to getting .tel out to "Joe Public" before events overtake us all !


Thanks in anticipation.

Mike Seaton[/size]

daytonac09-10-2011 06:13 AM




hey mike totally agree, 
ive now let some 250 odd .tels fall off of the 280 or so i had, in total to date, i've sold 4 and had a inquiry on 1, but it never sold. As i have said i this forum, telnics 3 year anniversary is not to far away, and that will also be the time for trademark owners and other companies who reg'e there dot.tel for the 3 yr minimum to come up for renewal, and i hate to say this, but if things havn't progressed along at alot soon, domain drop rates will be massive, that said, i still remember the first time i found out about .tels, and watched the ben video, and thought, "man this is going to be huge", a unique phone number, to break up the boring 7-10 digit number, capable of holding all sorts of contact info, anywhere in the world, lose or change your phone number don't stress, just update your .tel with your new number. "i've been so looking forward to telling people, when asked, whats your tel??, replying with "41.tel, or hitman.tel" but when mentioned, no one knows what i'm talking about, then explain to people what it is, and show them, you can see that there excited as i was, so then, what did google and facebook do, that telnic hasn't, as the answer is in there, because it has the ability to be, because everyone within reason, has heard of both of those companies. Even within people who have heard of telnic,that have been to this very site, there are only 79 active members of a total of 709 members, 300,000 dot.tels domains purchased but only 709 members, therefore only 0.0025% are members on this site.

i think its time for a new direction as the current one, correct me if i'm wrong is not working so good, i'd love to know if telnic still retains all of there original staff from startup, but would love to hear more from staff who have joined in the last 6 months as to there thoughts and ideas on where they see telnic going in teh next 6 months.

just thought i'd also add that i am the end user, i'm the average guy on the street, a glazier, my dot.tel is 4glass.tel, i'm not a programmer, designer, tech guy, just the regular average joe who is our target market.

cheers guys, 
andre'

tindaya09-10-2011 09:11 AM




The slogan of Telefonica " to be the first gobal telco of digital world"


2,500 people, is to ensure Telefónica capitalises on opportunities created by the mobile device revolution,

The Telco O2=Movistar=Telefonica, now have only three companys 1=America, 2=Europe, 3=Digital, but the news is that the third company, the Digital, will be in London... ¿curiosity?

Telefonica joint to Vodafone in the future of pay by card, and create a new company in London ¿curiosity?

Now for Telnic is not important the roadmap, before yes. The first president of Telnic (10 years ago) was Villalonga, before president of Telefonica... And Telnic is in London ¿curiosity? 
http://demo.ringful.com/detail.jsp?id=4035 (Funding is split across individuals such as Juan Villalonga and VC companies such as Banexi Ventures and Berggruen Holdings. 


In the beginning Telefonica tried to buy Telnic: http://www.elconfidencial.com/buscad...cha=07/07/2005

http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=31635

The unit, called Telefonica Digital, is the result of an internal reshuffle and will co-ordinate around 2,500 employees, Telefonica — O2's parent company — said in an announcement on Monday.

http://www.pearltrees.com/#/N-fa=107...5&N-f=1_218365

dutchstreetdog09-10-2011 10:48 AM




I like it and see it as a hobby, 
i think a lot of you tellowners are to much behind the money!
See all this as a lotery or casino, Mabey sucses Mabey not!
I do understand the boys wich are developing third party software !
But for the rest i would say, bey happy to bey alive, dottel is not the end of your live, there is more in live
Dont spend your last dollar pound euro on all this!
Just the pocket money that u can affort to lose!
A lott of owners spend a few coins and think the become Bill Gates
Just enjoy the ride and dont think to much about your money
Mabey you will bey rewarded one day
And telnic invested so much money, the must bey suicidal and start jumping out of the window!
But no, the keep it together, take theme as a example!
When you lose Your money in the casino its your own choise, just the same story here!
Dont lett it gett under your skinn

Cees09-10-2011 01:04 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by tindaya (Post 17366)
The slogan of Telefonica " to be the first gobal telco of digital world"


2,500 people, is to ensure Telefónica capitalises on opportunities created by the mobile device revolution,

The Telco O2=Movistar=Telefonica, now have only three companys 1=America, 2=Europe, 3=Digital, but the news is that the third company, the Digital, will be in London... ¿curiosity?

Telefonica joint to Vodafone in the future of pay by card, and create a new company in London ¿curiosity?

Now for Telnic is not important the roadmap, before yes. The first president of Telnic (10 years ago) was Villalonga, before president of Telefonica... And Telnic is in London ¿curiosity? 
http://demo.ringful.com/detail.jsp?id=4035 (Funding is split across individuals such as Juan Villalonga and VC companies such as Banexi Ventures and Berggruen Holdings. 


In the beginning Telefonica tried to buy Telnic: http://www.elconfidencial.com/buscad...cha=07/07/2005

http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=31635

The unit, called Telefonica Digital, is the result of an internal reshuffle and will co-ordinate around 2,500 employees, Telefonica — O2's parent company — said in an announcement on Monday.

http://www.pearltrees.com/#/N-fa=107...5&N-f=1_218365



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Tindaya,

That's a more than interesting post, where would .tel be today if Telefonica had prevailed?[/size]

Cees09-10-2011 01:09 PM




BTW my corns are playing up, I do believe there's something afoot.

teltheworld09-10-2011 02:28 PM




Hi Dutch

You just have to be my all time favorite poster! as you have such a way with words that even if you don't mean to, you always seem to leave me in tears of laughter!

Which I think we need to cheer us up!

dutchstreetdog09-10-2011 02:39 PM




Yes
 
Quote:



Originally Posted by teltheworld (Post 17372)
Hi Dutch

You just have to be my all time favorite poster! as you have such a way with words that even if you don't mean to, you always seem to leave me in tears of laughter!

Which I think we need to cheer us up!



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Yes teltheworld Thats The Spirit !
Keep on laughing til the end ![/size]

mikeseaton09-10-2011 03:01 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by tindaya (Post 17366)
The slogan of Telefonica " to be the first gobal telco of digital world"


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Tindaya, that's interesting information re Telefonica. To summarise 3 key items:

1. April 2004. Telefonica objects to Telnic's .tel proposal - Telnic's response is here - http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rf.../msg00006.html 

2. August 2011. Telefonica announces "Telefónica Germany, Telekom and Vodafone are pushing ahead with their joint activities in mobile payments." - see http://pressoffice.telefonica.com/js...s=1&elem=16961

3. September 2011. Telefonica creates new mobile device digital arm (with 2500 staff, headquartered in London) to capitalise on "opportunities created by the mobile device revolution, such as entertainment, e-advertising, e-health, financial services, cloud and M2M (machine-to-machine). It will look at both consumer and corporate opportunities." - seehttp://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=31635

If I were a shareholder in Telnic Ltd. I would be insisting on a S.W.O.T. analysis (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats), unless of course I knew something about the future of Telnic that hadn't been made public yet.

I hope this is the situation, and that Telnic is negotiating some big company tie-up at the moment, time is running out for the .tel communication revolution to actually happen in the real world !

Mike Seaton[/size]

can09-11-2011 01:10 AM




I just wonder what happened recently,everything sounds like over quiet.Telnic do nothing to be active.Eventhough telchina stop to renew social website.
Will a big event happen soon?
Or just giving up?

tindaya09-11-2011 09:24 AM




I think is a big problem in the future for the Telcos, before the numbers was clear, but now with the names is not so clear, because for a global situation must joint the differents telcos, and will not be easy.
Google go for free, and too much marketing but is only a algoritm (Everyone knows the war between Telefonica and Google, because Telefonica say that Google must to pay money to the Telcos, if you want that a video of youtube will see good in a mobile, someone must to pay)... The rest the domains are not importants because are the same, but the domain .tel is different, and the telcos need to control the situation... How? I don´t know.

I speak about Telefonica (O2-Movistar) because have the idea clear that want to be the leader of the next digital revolution... The problem, I don´t know if now Villalonga is the president (Owner) of Telnic. Two years ago, yes Villalonga was the president, and Villalonga was before the president of Telefonica, so are friends...

The future I don´t know, but I know that Telefonica want to be el First:

Wayra -----> try to buy all star-up
Tuenti------> try to be better that facebook
Terra-----> will be the spotify american
Jajah---->Try to be like Skipe
.....

So is not rear that Telefonica try to buy Telnic

mikeseaton09-11-2011 06:51 PM




Dial-By-Name - All Telcos must sign up in one go?
 
Quote:



Originally Posted by tindaya (Post 17382)
I think is a big problem in the future for the Telcos, before the numbers was clear, but now with the names is not so clear, because for a global situation must joint the differents telcos, and will not be easy.


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That's something I've been wondering about - if only say 10 or 20% of the world's major Telcos (in itself that would be a major achievement) sign up to do the DNS lookup of the telephone number from the entered .tel name, how is the average phone user going to know that when he/she dials a .tel name that the Telco handling the dialled .tel has signed up to do the DNS conversion to telephone number.

If he/she doesn't know, there are going to be a large number of calls made by phone users which result in a message along the lines of "dialled .tel name cannot be converted to a phone number because Telco has not signed up to .tel" - this would quickly discredit the whole .tel idea!

It seems to me that it's got to be all major Telcos signed up to do the .tel name-to-number conversion for the concept to work credibly - but this being achieved in one go seems highly unlikely!

Just trying to look at the situation logically - maybe someone else can chip in here with how .tel "Dial-By-Name" could work credibly without all the world's major Telcos signed up at the beginning?

Mike Seaton[/size]

GoBigCity09-11-2011 08:07 PM




Come on Telnic. Your silence is brutal. We know your there because if a technical issue comes up there is a reply in 5 minutes. If anyone asks for a LITTLE input about the direction of Telnic, it is completely ignored. 

Have a little respect for those that believed and invested in your vision. I would actually prefer that you told me to shut up and that it was none of my F#$&*#% business rather than the head in the sand strategy that is currently in place.

mikeseaton09-12-2011 04:18 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Jens (Post 17413)
Sorry, I cannot follow.

For what reason the involvement of the Telcos is necessary to trigger the call?

The caller just need an app or the opened .tel in his browser and after clicking this, his own cell phone dials the correct number with the right international area code as it is default for all .tel domains!
When the Telco comes into play, it works the same way as the caller has dialed the number manually.



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That's how my Dial-By-Name system http://TelDial.com works - from the address bar - and this can be used right now on mobile phones and desktops/laptops/tablets - click http://justin.teldial.com or http://telnic.teldial.com to see personal and business examples.

But Telnic's Dial-By-Name Phase 2 proposal is diffferent - it doesn't use the address bar - you just dial the .tel name into the telephone keypad exactly as you would dial a number - there is no requirement for the internet to be present on the mobile device for this to work.

Hence my post Dial-By-Name - All Telcos must sign up in one go?

Mike Seaton[/size]

tindaya09-12-2011 04:19 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Jens (Post 17413)
Sorry, I cannot follow.

For what reason the involvement of the Telcos is necessary to trigger the call?



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The reality is that in 10 years, all will be IPv6, the fix Telcos will be NGN, and the mobile telcos will be 4G (all IP)... So, in 10 years all, all will be IP, so we don´t need numbers, so the switching only will be in the DNS... So, How can work a global comunication without the dottel???? I don´t know.[/size]

mikeseaton09-12-2011 05:44 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Jens (Post 17422)
If the registrars would allow a new, not realized service yet to customize the DNS of all other TLDs, it would be possible to manage phone numbers with any other domain. This doesn't need to be a .tel!


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Jens, very good point, I assume Telnic will have considered this when they last did a S.W.O.T. (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats) analysis of their position in the domain registration marketplace?

Presumably ICANN agreement would be required for this to happen with another TLD?

Mike Seaton[/size]

Justin Hayward09-12-2011 06:31 PM




All

The reality from Telnic's perspective is that we are working very hard behind the scenes to add the features and functionality that make .tel a simple, cost-effective and easy to use online presence. As with adding Support for Mobile AdSense, when we have something to announce and update the community on, we will do so in a timely manner. As we are trying to prioiritise development to work through the updates and new functionality, we realised that the timeline was no longer representative of expectations and therefore took a decision to take it down. We are still working through development and hope to update this again soon.

The forum is intended to be a place where community members can share information with each other. Telnic members step in when specific support issues are raised, as you have mentioned. We aim where possible to fix technical issues and update people using this forum efficiently. The forum is not however intended to be a place where Telnic staff provide a running commentary of the business activities nor update the .tel community on ongoing strategies. This is kept to the annual update from Kash and general updates in newsletters.

We do remain open to receiving specific questions and all of our contact information for key employees for Telnic have always been available. If individuals have specific requests for information, you are more than welcome to send these on.

Of course, when we have more information to share we will do so.

Thanks
Justin

mikeseaton09-12-2011 06:40 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Justin Hayward (Post 17431)
This is kept to the annual update from Kash and general updates in newsletters.


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Justin, please could you confirm the dates the next annual update and newsletter will be available?

Thanks, Mike Seaton[/size]

Justin Hayward09-12-2011 06:42 PM




The annual update has always been around December/January, and we are planning for a newsletter this month, as we outlined in the last newsletter. It is sometimes difficult to schedule news from third parties around the newsletter of course...

mikeseaton09-12-2011 07:36 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Justin Hayward (Post 17435)
The annual update has always been around December/January, and we are planning for a newsletter this month...


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I'm sure both will be eagerly awaited by all those who have commented in this thread !

Justin's comments make it clear that further speculation is pointless and we will have to wait for Telnic to make announcements as and when they feel ready to do so.

It's time to make your own mind up about .tel's future prospects in the marketplace - I have !

Mike Seaton[/size]
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Re: The Reality of .Tel

Post by Telnic on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 5:39 pm

dialaroom09-12-2011 09:31 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Justin Hayward (Post 17431)
... .tel a simple, cost-effective and easy to use online presence.


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This is what I bought into, this is what I use and sell, this is the reality![/size]

dottel.net09-12-2011 10:41 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by dialaroom (Post 17441)
This is what I bought into, this is what I use and sell, this is the reality!


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same here - its all well and good asking for more, but its best to be happy with the product you're buying at the time of purchase else this probably isn't the right domain for you.

.tel really does work well and can be monetised especially with directories which rank well and show some good traffic stats (as posted in another thread).

getting close to the last call at the pub so I better rush off again ;)[/size]

mikeseaton09-12-2011 11:26 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Jens (Post 17440)
...and will read about the new campaign that every .com owner will get an offer for a .tel domain one year for free!


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Jens, you're making it sound too easy for .tel to achieve the "critical mass" that's essential to it's success !

Just 1% renewal rate after the first year - there are over 96 million .coms (seehttp://www.hosterstats.com/DomainNameCounts2011.php) - would increase .tel registrations from approx 300,000 to 1,260,000.

The catch of course is that registrars would have to carry the cost - assuming Telnic contributed nothing - for the first year.

Still think of the prize for all those involved in .tel !

Mike Seaton[/size]

tindaya09-13-2011 10:43 AM




Also are important the index pages by google, because this give power to all .tel

2 months ago was 2 millions, now is: site:.tel Aproximadamente 3.430.000 resultados.

If .tel have more power in google, this power is for all domains .tel, so not is only to have more domains, is also important to have more pages .tel

tindaya09-13-2011 12:05 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Jens (Post 17455)
Partly I agree, but if we speak with domainers about the meaning of TLDs the total number of registered domains is the crucial point:

Every TLD with less than 1 million registered domains isn't taken seriously.



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Yes, I´m with you, but I wanted diference SEDO of SEO. 
SEDO= the domain market, we need and least 1 millions of domains .tel, 
SEO=(google range) we need al least 10 millions of pages .tel.

More domains .tel------> better to sell the domain
More pages .tel-------> better the range of the domains .tel in google[/size]

stel09-14-2011 04:08 AM




I have been following this forum regularly but I have not commented in several months. The reality of .tel is that after so many years I still don't understand Telnic's lack of vision with Telpages and the lack of progress in general (marketing, programming, usability, etc). That was their chance to make .tel into something huge with a global directory called Telpages, and their initial advertising reflected that, but there has been very little progress in that regard afterwards. Maybe they are forced by lack of resources to develop at the current pace, but that is too slow for most mortals.

The results that I get from Telpages have been so chaotic that at one point several months ago I got the main generic names and geo names followed by the word "pages" (example: earthpages, londonpages, uspages, etc), hoping that maybe a huge project like that would put some order into .tels. It was probably not my brightest project, but it was an idea to use and put together a few hundred .tels to make huge global directory that resembled a global phonebook based on .tels.... 

Due to the lack of transparency, predictability and progress from Telnic I decided however that such a project would be silly & risky, and that I have better things to do with my life and money, so that I will drop several hundred .tels in the coming months... Sorry about the bad news. I am not sure that Telnic cares about that, but I am looking forward to the future to see what Telnic actually cares about! The original idea of .tel still seems good to me, but the implementation is questionable so far, and I am trying to be kind here.... Consider that feedback from one of your early fans.... 

I think that .tel works relatively well as a digital business card, and that's about it. It currently has very limited usefulness, because almost nobody knows about .tel. I will probably keep about 1% of my .tels for another few years... I will not even try to sell the rest of them, because I am not convinced anymore that it would be a great product for the buyer.....

Good luck to everybody!

tindaya09-14-2011 07:22 AM




The problem is that I don´t see another future for switching by names, only the dottel

boracay.tel09-14-2011 08:44 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by stel (Post 17467)
Due to the lack of transparency, predictability and progress from Telnic 

... ... am trying to be kind here.... Consider that feedback from one of your early fans....



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hard words to hear. 
no transparency. 

as an investor, maybe you can talk directly to the company directors.
but for me, as a hobby i accept and wait...
but really... the slow development and fixes to crucial components, 
it just doesn't make any sense.[/size]

mikeseaton09-14-2011 04:36 PM




Siter.com Domain Dialing hits headlines
 
I've just come across this article entitled ICANN Conference Features Domain Dialing and expected to be reading about Dot Tel (Telnic were there I believe) but instead it's all about Siter.com which Jens mentioned the other day.

There appears to be threats to .tel's promise of "Dial-By-Name" coming from all directions, but the one thing that .tel could have had is First Mover Advantage - whereby a product gains a stranglehold on a marketplace by not necessarily being the best, or the cheapest, but gets to market first and achieves mass acceptance such that people are reluctant to move away.

Dot Tel is probably the best Dial-By-Name solution (when it eventually happens), it's fairly cheap (though not free), but we don't have a Dial-By-Name product that's available now, despite .tel being launched 2.5 years ago (and being developed for several years before that).

Why does Dot Tel not already have a Dial-By-Name product in place to fend off these emerging competitors - Telnic have had several years start on them - where has all the time gone?

Mike Seaton

PS. I'm excluding TelDial of course from my comments - which offers Dial-By-Name from the browser address bar - I'm talking about dialing directly from the keypad (with the Telco doing the .tel DNS lookup) so that there's no need for a live internet connection on the phone.

Justin Hayward09-14-2011 06:39 PM




Mike

You obviously think we have been sitting on our hands for two and a half years. Quite frankly, that is an extremely derogatory comment to the people that work here.

What you seem to have overlooked is that there are a lot of moving parts when it comes to doing deals with .tel. Some of these are out of our control.

An example. Last year we had a very positive reaction from a major European high street retailer of mobile phones who was looking to integrate the .tel offer into their web offering. They loved the product, saw a good fit and liked the apps we had developed. However, when it came to the crunch, the registrar they were looking to work with let the whole thing down with the purchase process, and interest went dead. Will we get a second chance? I don't know.

I am not going to outline all of the efforts that we have gone to and continue to undertake to engage with the very companies that you're talking about. And to refer to a press release from Siter that sponsored the ICANN conference of proof that we're doing nothing in this arena is poor show. Sitter uses a proprietary database of non-live information and which provides just one way of interacting with a company - by phone. I'm not decrying their efforts and we keep a close eye on developments.

Getting a phone manufacturer to embed a domain dialler in their handset is a huge challenge. Have we been talking to companies about it? Sure. Do you know how many layers of people you have to go through, how quickly people join and leave these organisations and how many priorities they have?

So whilst I appreciate you are frustrated, please remember that actually we are all working to deliver a common goal. We also have priorities to work through and are aware of the pressure of time. So whilst we appreciate the candour of the discussion in this forum, please again be aware that when we have successes we will share them and where there are things that don't go so well, rather than apportion blame, we move on and work to achieve what we can in another direction.

Justin Hayward09-14-2011 06:59 PM




I said nothing of the kind Jens regarding technical development. As I said, when we do have something to tell you, we will. Technical development is continuing as it has done all this year, it is just that the roadmap has had to be reconfigured. When we can share this direction, as it has always been, rather than a fixed schedule, we will. Again, thank you for your continued understanding.

Thanks
Justin

mikeseaton09-14-2011 07:47 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Justin Hayward (Post 17484)
Mike

You obviously think we have been sitting on our hands for two and a half years. Quite frankly, that is an extremely derogatory comment to the people that work here.

What you seem to have overlooked is that there are a lot of moving parts when it comes to doing deals with .tel. Some of these are out of our control.



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Justin, please don't take personal offence with the comments that are being made on this forum by not just myself, but by many others.

I prefer to deal in facts, and the fact is that 2.5 years after .tel's launch (and several years of product development from a 13-year old company) there is no keypad "Dial-By-Name" product actually available - even though Dial-By-Name (& Email/Skype etc) is one of the key components that Telnic have said they are in business to offer.

In business no-one cares how difficult a company finds it to do what they have promised - the market only cares about them delivering results.


Quote:
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Originally Posted by Justin Hayward (Post 17484)
And to refer to a press release from Siter that sponsored the ICANN conference of proof that we're doing nothing in this arena is poor show.


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Why on earth did Telnic not take the initiative and sponsor the ICANN Conference, rather than let an up-and-coming competitor gain the promotional coverage that this brings ?

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Justin Hayward (Post 17484)
Getting a phone manufacturer to embed a domain dialler in their handset is a huge challenge. Have we been talking to companies about it? Sure. Do you know how many layers of people you have to go through, how quickly people join and leave these organisations and how many priorities they have?


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Your comment above worries me - you are making it sound a virtually impossible task just to get one company on board - how many companies would need to be signed up for .tel to be a universal success ?

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Justin Hayward (Post 17484)
So whilst I appreciate you are frustrated, please remember that actually we are all working to deliver a common goal. We also have priorities to work through and are aware of the pressure of time.


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What frustrates so many in this forum is that .tel has no recognition by the man in the street - not even in mobile phone shops.

There are so many things that could be done to raise awareness of .tel to "Joe Public" - many have been suggested in this forum such as a mass marketing campaign, celebrity endorsement, product placement in TV/Films, presence at sporting events, automatic inclusion with each new mobile phone contract, etc, etc.

If you look at my posts over the last 2 years you will see that I have been one of the staunchest supporters of Telnic and the .tel concept - I still believe .tel can make it but only if Dial-By-Name becomes a reality very soon and .tel is promoted to the man in the street.

But it simply isn't happening now and TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR DOT TEL !


Mike Seaton[/size]

Justin Hayward09-14-2011 07:53 PM




With great respect Mike, I'm not going to go down all of these rat holes and argue about what we have and have not done and what we could have done and the reasons why we have not. Make your decision as to what you want to do. We will respect that.

Regards
Justin

tindaya09-14-2011 09:39 PM




I´m 30 years old in Telcos company, I began with 50 bps and now is 50 Mbps, and I have learned that after 1G go 2G, and after 3G go 4G, and after 4G will go 5G... After the analogic was the digital... And after the switching numbers will go the switching names, and will be in IP, and the names in IP switch in the DNS...

And always have been a company that everyone speak, 30 years ago was IBM, 15 years ago was Microsoft, 5 years ago was google, and now is Apple... Only change the name of the first software company, but the rest, the Telcos, are always the same, sothe future will be IP switching by names in DNS . When????? We don´t know.

boracay.tel09-15-2011 06:18 AM




Mike, maybe you could look into the patents in the name-dialling area and see whats what. could shed some light. its tough (hard to make any commitment either way with getting little info from the mothership. I am recently inspired through hearing of the excellent tools kprobe and other individuals are working on) but on the other side of that coin, can't believe everything you read either!

i saw this on a .tel competitors website just today

-----

"Who is your competition, and what do you do better?

There is no competition, as only XXXXX provides domain dialing. The project began with a patent application."

boracay.tel09-15-2011 08:23 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Jens (Post 17502)
@boracay

Find the patents of Telnic:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0288774.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0320015.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0133471.html

The patents of Siter which you have cited I couldn't find quickly.



[size]
somebody know what all that actually means? I'm guessing by the last line...
"Although in the described embodiment the invention is implemented by software, it will be appreciated that alternatively the invention could be implemented by hardware devices or a combination of hardware devices and software."

...that telnic may well be moving slowly because they pretty much have this dial-by-name gig in the bag. any clarification anybody? (I'm feeling a little easier)[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)09-15-2011 12:12 PM




Telnic Patents
 
@Jens. Wow, great find. This is very good to see. Having my own patent pending I will read these when I have more time. The fact that this idea of storing data in the DNS may have full protection is encouraging and may explain much. 
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)09-15-2011 12:20 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by boracay.tel (Post 17503)
somebody know what all that actually means? I'm guessing by the last line...
"Although in the described embodiment the invention is implemented by software, it will be appreciated that alternatively the invention could be implemented by hardware devices or a combination of hardware devices and software."



[size]
That is a way of saying we've got our idea covered in the many other ways that emulate the original method. You have to anticipate that someone will try to copy the technique using other forms not yet available at the time the patent was submitted.

BTW, those 3 are US patents, there are two others at the EPO (although these look like applications, not granted patents, not sure).

Mark[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)09-15-2011 12:30 PM




Patents
 
All five look like patent applications not granted patents? Curious though, since one is filed in 2004, the others in 2008, you'd think that the first one would have been granted by now. Patent office are slow beasts, 3-4 year now.
Mark

Cees09-16-2011 08:08 AM




Would be nice if one of the Patent related .tel owners chipped in here, there are quiet a few according to TelPages.
Would need to move the thread to the public area though which may not be a wise move, I for one defininately would like to know more though.
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Re: The Reality of .Tel

Post by Telnic on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 5:40 pm

GoBigCity09-17-2011 12:42 AM




How many people got off the Titanic? I don't think it is a scam (Aled, you can't ban me because i said I DON'T think it's a scam) so I am going to hang in there. I wonder if holy****thiswasabadideaandiwanttopunchmyselfinthef aceforbeingsostupid.tel is taken. Probably so. The good ones always are

Cees09-17-2011 06:47 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by GoBigCity (Post 17546)
How many people got off the Titanic? I don't think it is a scam (Aled, you can't ban me because i said I DON'T think it's a scam) so I am going to hang in there. I wonder if holy****thiswasabadideaandiwanttopunchmyselfinthef aceforbeingsostupid.tel is taken. Probably so. The good ones always are


[size]
Did I spot a typo in there?[/size]

mikeseaton10-04-2011 10:28 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by GoBigCity (Post 17546)
How many people got off the Titanic? I don't think it is a scam (Aled, you can't ban me because i said I DON'T think it's a scam) so I am going to hang in there. I wonder if holy****thiswasabadideaandiwanttopunchmyselfinthef aceforbeingsostupid.tel is taken. Probably so. The good ones always are


[size]
Hi GoBigCity,

Sometimes in business things don't always turn out as expected, but that doesn't automatically mean there is no value in the resulting situation - have a look at http://telnic.org/forum/showthread.php?p=17981 and see if you agree.

Mike Seaton[/size]

Justin Hayward10-05-2011 07:58 AM




Hi GoBigCity,

That domain would be too long to register as there's a limit of 63 characters.

Regards
Justin

dottel.net10-05-2011 09:26 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Justin Hayward (Post 17992)
Hi GoBigCity,

That domain would be too long to register as there's a limit of 63 characters.

Regards
Justin



[size]
LOL - this made me laugh so hard I practically spilt all my coffee over my suit!! gee - thanks :)[/size]

dottel.net10-05-2011 10:16 AM




good point - perhaps I should ask for a rebate on my renewals to cover the dry cleaning

mikeseaton10-16-2011 02:10 PM




Jens has created an interesting poll at http://telnic.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2372 - all who are reading this thread should view the results, which show the actual vote cast by each individual voter - click on the number of votes cast for an option to get this breakdown.

Mike Seaton

mikeseaton11-22-2011 02:35 PM




Jens - probably .tel's biggest domain investor - disappears and then comes back to say goodbye !

Mike Seaton

daytonac11-23-2011 11:24 AM




well, he may have been the biggest, but he's not the first and most definitely won't be the last, hell i'm going to sell off (if i can, when you can even get $50 for 48.tel here, then i'm not sure of its future either) the last of my dot.tels i had, out of the original 300 plus i had, and rereg, but i'm not doing a 3rd time round, as i think i've made about $400 total and spent atleast 10 times that, so for now i also will wait for as i have put it before, "the largest landrush of an existing extention" before i buy more.

cheers andre'


no4.co no4.tel

Calculito11-24-2011 01:36 AM




Most of you seem to be just domainers, waiting a miracle that push prices into X.000. And as it doesn´t happen, you blame Telnic. But you domainers are wrong. In fact you are damaging .tel domains keeping your .tel empty, just waiting for a buyer. Everybody waiting with your empty .tel domains, even if they are premium keywords. Let´s do a quick check:

computers.tel
cars.tel
porn.tel
games.tel
casino.tel
pizza.tel
loans.tel

All of them are empty of for sale.

What do you expect from .tel extension if even premium keywords are not developed?. .tel will increase its value when domains became useful being developed, not standing for years with the "for sale" link inside. I´m tired to say the same in this forum: try to add some value to your domains, and maybe in a couple of years you´ll get good offers for them.

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)11-24-2011 03:50 AM




@Calculito Couldn't agree with you more. I've given up saying the same thing. 99% of my domains have content - not always the best content, but never the less populated. However, take a look at .CO and .ME domains and you will find the same thing that most key sites are parked.
Mark

tony mayo11-24-2011 10:26 AM




@Calculito andf @Mark in 100% agreement. 

I bought my domains with a very definite purpose in mind and I am continuing to populate my portfolio .tels with the help of Mark and his Telmaster tools. 

It seems to me that many of those complaining here bought for speculation purposes and are not interested in the hard work, financial commitment and time involved in making .tel domains useful and visible.

Some of my well populated directories are now over two years old and punching well above their weight, knocking YP and other topline and well-resourced directories off their perch. 

It's that experience and knowledge that keeps me going. 

So as we approach 2012, I would appeal to those - some of tels biggest advocates in the early days - to start populating their wonderful keyword and geo domains and make a real and worthwhile contribution to the future of this project - rather than waiting on a miracle that ain't going to happen!

dialaroom11-24-2011 11:56 AM




+1 
I only buy .tels I am going to populate.

However I do have a little sympathy for the domainers, imagine buying hundreds of .tels and thinking (like we all probably did) they would fly off the shelves. You are now left with hundreds of unsaleable .tels that you are told need populating to be in with any chance of making the suffix be of any worth.

Live11-24-2011 12:20 PM




There are two sides of the story: of course .tel domains need to get populated to become sucessful; but the .tel domainers need the right tools for that - perhaps they will come with the new templates this quarter! You also need to consider that the percentage of populated domains is always low in general; even most of .com domains are only parked - so don't expect anything else for .tel domains! And another important criteria what makes the breakthrough for .tel domains so difficult is the point it stands in competition with all other domain endings! Of course .tel is different than other domain endings, but who knows about it?

Calculito11-24-2011 12:58 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 19149)
@Calculito Couldn't agree with you more. I've given up saying the same thing. 99% of my domains have content - not always the best content, but never the less populated. However, take a look at .CO and .ME domains and you will find the same thing that most key sites are parked.
Mark



[size]
Yes, but .CO and .ME are just new extensions. .TEL is not only an extension, it is a new concept, so if that concept is not developed and released, the extension worths nothing.[/size]

Calculito11-24-2011 01:02 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Live (Post 19152)
There are two sides of the story: of course .tel domains need to get populated to become sucessful; but the .tel domainers need the right tools for that - perhaps they will come with the new templates this quarter! You also need to consider that the percentage of populated domains is always low in general; even most of .com domains are only parked - so don't expect anything else for .tel domains! And another important criteria what makes the breakthrough for .tel domains so difficult is the point it stands in competition with all other domain endings! Of course .tel is different than other domain endings, but who knows about it?


[size]
I also miss powerfull and simple tools to populate .tel domain. In my opinion this is crucial for the future of the extension.[/size]

mikeseaton11-24-2011 02:59 PM




The "why aren't empty .tels populated" response by some seems to be missing a crucial point.

Tools - from a resource that is guaranteed to be around for the long term - are needed to do this if you have more than a handful of .tels.

Whilst Mark is able to populate his own domains with the tools he has developed, the vast majority of .tel owners do not have the programming expertise to develop their own mass populate tools.

People can of course purchase the right to use Mark's tools (and some are free), but what if Mark gets tired of Telnic's lack of progress, as he has hinted at in previous posts, and scales down his .tel operation to concentrate on more profitable areas? Where would that leave your business?

IMO the solution is:

a. Telnic to either launch their own mass populate tools, or a least a professional-looking parking page regularly refreshed (probably from a RSS Feed).
Or
b. Telnic to recognise that the timescale for the release of a), even if they had the resources, is simply too long and instead buy out Mark's tools, move them in-house, and employ Mark as a consultant - which with the internet is perfectly feasible for a Canadian-based developer.

Even if it cost £1,000,000 to buy Mark's tools and his services, that would be money well spent and repaid many times over in new .tel registrations and renewals rather than dropping.

Mike Seaton

Calculito11-24-2011 04:04 PM




@mikeseaton Agree 120%. I´m not able to express it better.

dialaroom11-24-2011 06:23 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Live (Post 19152)
Of course .tel is different than other domain endings, but who knows about it?


[size]
To me @Live makes the most important point. 

Bulk populating 100s if not 1000s of .tel whether with an rss feed or just duplicate or random information, ultimately serves no purpose and cannot be beneficial to .tel can it?

If every Google search result page 1 had .tels stuffed with irrelevant content or just ads, it would be detrimental to properly populated .tels. Adding unique or useful content to the world wide web via our sites is the ultimate aim surely. Market forces will dictate the rest. The future is in mobile browsing, .tel is well set to be a big part of that. 

If all unpopulated .tels have the search all tels box as the most prominent and seen feature on every mobile phone, and telpages delivers up populated relevant .tels as top search results, it might go someway to negating the parked effect.[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)11-24-2011 06:24 PM




@Jens I agree with you in every aspect related to lack of development effort from Telnic. Telnic seems to be its own worst enemy when it comes to improving its image by continuously delaying or ignoring improvements. And I just don't get why Telnic doesn't see this. I'm sure they see "it" in some way but their constant lack of transparency is too much to handle at times. I am just as frustrated as others with this, especially since as a developer I have no control over improving the functionality of this TLD and our myriad suggestions appear to go into oblivion. Telnic wanted a vibrant developer community, it got one but it has lapsed. Third party development is totally hampered and almost useless at this time. They had their chance over a year ago to improve things. There has to be some hard-core internal element that doesn't want to see this TLD grow.

However, that said, I still do my best to populate every one of my domains to the best of my ability. I have offered my tools and services - not many takers.

I carry on and hope Telnic gives us a well-deserved and very belated present for Christmas.

Mark
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Re: The Reality of .Tel

Post by Telnic on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 5:40 pm

mikeseaton11-24-2011 08:40 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 19161)
There has to be some hard-core internal element that doesn't want to see this TLD grow.


[size]
Wow - that's a statement for conspiracy theorists, Mark !

Mike Seaton[/size]

supercyberheroes11-24-2011 08:46 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Calculito (Post 19148)
Most of you seem to be just domainers, waiting a miracle that push prices into X.000. And as it doesn´t happen, you blame Telnic. But you domainers are wrong. In fact you are damaging .tel domains keeping your .tel empty, just waiting for a buyer. Everybody waiting with your empty .tel domains, even if they are premium keywords. Let´s do a quick check:

computers.tel
cars.tel
porn.tel
games.tel
casino.tel
pizza.tel
loans.tel

All of them are empty of for sale.

What do you expect from .tel extension if even premium keywords are not developed?. .tel will increase its value when domains became useful being developed, not standing for years with the "for sale" link inside. I´m tired to say the same in this forum: try to add some value to your domains, and maybe in a couple of years you´ll get good offers for them.



[size]
I agree and disagree too, I knew about .tel back in 2006 and I was watching it very close until march 2009. I did preorder some good generic domains at domainmonster.com I did go in my domains list like pizza.tel, hotel.tel, taxi.tel, amount other, but domainmonster.com contacted me I said those very, very premium domains were claims by someone else with trademark, so they took off those generic domains from my list.
I did my home work and I checked on ICANN website and it says no one or company can claim generic name as a trademark, so I am confused about that, how hotel.com, taxi.com amount other can claim trademark if they are generic name, and how some one can claim trademark on taxi.tel, pizza.tel or hotel.tel
If those name are no populate if for people that had claim trademark, on top of that some other very, very premium belong to telnic and they are not populate like call.tel, and around another 20 that belong to telnic are not populate.

Regards
http://supercyberheroes.tel
http://businessdirect.tel[/size]

mikeseaton11-24-2011 08:57 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by supercyberheroes (Post 19163)
I did my home work and I checked on ICANN website and it says no one or company can claim generic name as a trademark...


[size]
Absolutely true - they can't !

I once had someone try it on with me with my domain http://www.UKWatersideProperties.com - they got nowhere - just incurred themselves totally unnecessary legal costs !

Mike Seaton[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)11-24-2011 08:58 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 19162)
Wow - that's a statement for conspiracy theorists, Mark !

Mike Seaton



[size]
I should explain my suggestion: perhaps that die hards want the TLD to remain in it's original static form, purely for real-time contact sharing, while the community wants a dynamic, flexible, customizable platform. Why else would there be so much reluctance to progress rapidly into a more suitable platform? The last major enhancement was AdSense followed by banner images and some additional templates.

Mark[/size]

supercyberheroes11-24-2011 09:01 PM




I believe the most diffilcult thing about telnic are the tool facility, some people have been able to populate they .tel domains because tools from Mark and for some guys from Sri lanka, without they thing will be harder, TELNIC invented .tel as contact point for people or business, but the miss point is that some guys like us got .tel domains no only as a contact point, we do so to build real business, be .tel entrepeneurs and most people got wonderful ideas and espertise but are not developers and without tool no one can build anything. I do not know if telnic can create tool inside CTH or external one, but we need it.

Regards
http://supercyberheroes.tel
http://businessdirect.tel

supercyberheroes11-24-2011 09:56 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 19164)
Absolutely true - they can't !

I once had someone try it on with me with my domain http://www.UKWatersideProperties.com - they got nowhere - just incurred themselves totally unnecessary legal costs !

Mike Seaton



[size]
It happen to me as well, I wanted to build UPS directory for ups companies (uninterruptible power supply) and for ups professional engeniers tecnology, by that time according to alibaba.com there were registered with them almost 4000 ups companies, I said I can do two thing with ups: a directory and contact information for ups tecnical people.
But UPS (united parcel services) company lawyer department sent me a very arrogant and threatened email and a letter it says they will take me to USA court and if I lost I have to pay all the cost and they give me few days to give it back to them because ups.tel will confuse they customers etc, etc.
That made me so ungry I did my home work and I challenged them, once thing that I said was that ups.co.uk that no belong to them and it belong to a ups company technology (uninterruptible power supply) and ups.gr was on sale at sedo.com whay they have not claim them back, and that ups can be the name of a person like hg:hector garzon and that is for ups contact information engeniers and I have written on ups.tel that it has no relations with any other ups company, and I do not do business in USA and do not live there, so they can apply that law on me even if they say they can do so because they are USA.
They sent me an email that they will not challenge me but will keep watching my ups.tel
On my homework I checked that they have trademark for directory so no one can build directory with ups name. for now I just want to keep renew it until find a solution to active it, I am no in a hurry anyway.
this is my http://ups.tel I have to keep it on that way, so they can no challenge me because I am not misleading customeras

By the way heineken company took a spanish guy to court because was using heineken.tel
Regards.

http://supercyberheroes.tel
http://businessdirect.tel[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)11-24-2011 10:11 PM




Ups
 
@supercyberheroes: Good for you to do your homework and stand up for your rights. My feelings are UPS is a bunch of letters, the acronym can be one of many things and as long as you don't represent content related to courier business you are ok.
Mark

supercyberheroes11-24-2011 10:31 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 19168)
@supercyberheroes: Good for you to do your homework and stand up for your rights. My feelings are UPS is a bunch of letters, the acronym can be one of many things and as long as you don't represent content related to courier business you are ok.
Mark



[size]
Thanks mate

You know; there are 29 kinds of trademark a big bank for spain called BBVA registered all 29 kinds of trademark, so no one can open a restaurant and use the name BBVA because will be challenge by the bank

Regards

http://supercyberheroes.tel
http://businessdirect.tel[/size]

mikeseaton11-24-2011 11:00 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 19168)
My feelings are UPS is a bunch of letters, the acronym can be one of many things...


[size]
Here's the list - http://www.acronymfinder.com/UPS.html

http://www.acronymfinder.com is incredibly useful for this sort of checking.

Mike Seaton[/size]

supercyberheroes11-24-2011 11:17 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by mikeseaton (Post 19170)
Here's the list - http://www.acronymfinder.com/UPS.html

http://www.acronymfinder.com is incredibly useful for this sort of checking.

Mike Seaton



[size]
Thanks Mike.
It's good site I have some good .tel domains like aah.tel, abf.tel, adt.tel, aga.tel, aua.tel. avf.tel, bmi.tel (I got it on auction), bsm.tel, etc I know what I want to do with my generic name but with these ones, I do not know yet. 

Regards
http://supercyberheroes.tel
http://businessdirect.tel[/size]

Calculito11-25-2011 01:15 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by supercyberheroes (Post 19163)
I agree and disagree too, I knew about .tel back in 2006 and I was watching it very close until march 2009. I did preorder some good generic domains at domainmonster.com I did go in my domains list like pizza.tel, hotel.tel, taxi.tel, amount other, but domainmonster.com contacted me I said those very, very premium domains were claims by someone else with trademark, so they took off those generic domains from my list.
I did my home work and I checked on ICANN website and it says no one or company can claim generic name as a trademark, so I am confused about that, how hotel.com, taxi.com amount other can claim trademark if they are generic name, and how some one can claim trademark on taxi.tel, pizza.tel or hotel.tel
If those name are no populate if for people that had claim trademark, on top of that some other very, very premium belong to telnic and they are not populate like call.tel, and around another 20 that belong to telnic are not populate.

Regards
http://supercyberheroes.tel
http://businessdirect.tel



[size]
It sound really inusual coming from telnic. Anyway, if you check whois of the examples I wrote, you´ll see they do not belong to Telnic, but to domainers.[/size]

maximka11-25-2011 02:25 AM




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supercyberheroes11-25-2011 12:57 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Calculito (Post 19175)
It sound really inusual coming from telnic. Anyway, if you check whois of the examples I wrote, you´ll see they do not belong to Telnic, but to domainers.


[size]
I know mate I did my homework too, pizza.tel, and other were on my preorder list and there were taking off from my list, because trademark claim and they do not use them.
But what I am talking about is, that there are many very, very premium domains that are not populate, and even you click on any browser those domains and they go no where., those domain belong to telnic and they do no use them, just check these 5 domains to see who is the owner:
phone.tel
call.tel
txt.tel
text.tel
directory.tel
And a lot more that I got on a computer list.
That is what I am talking about, but what ever the reason no one can claim generic name as a trademark, that says ICANN on their website information.

Yes taxi.com can claim trademark but only as taxi.com not as taxi to challenge any one that use taxi name. 

Regards mate

http://supercyberheroes.tel
http://businessdirect.tel[/size]

Simon G11-25-2011 01:38 PM




There were some domains which were reserved by telnic both due to ICANN requirements and also the ones which this quote below addresses
Quote:



Telnic has a small list of names that it has reserved for itself. This list was compiled following consultation with Telnic's Interim Policy Advisory Group (iPAG). The names on this reserved list relate to the operation of the registry and the .tel system as a whole. Some are concerned with new features and components of the .tel system that are expected to be introduced following the launch of .tel. Therefore this list remains company confidential.


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http://www.telnic.org/reserved-names.html
I came across 
location
sip
voip
which must also be on this list.

With regards to the generic trademarks. There are companys/individuals who have trademarks for generic terms which they then use to register generic domains.
http://eu.adr.eu/adr/decisions/print.php?dispute_id=417
Which discusses Rock.eu which is owned by the entity that owned london.eu dublin.eu at the time.


On a different note. Calculito
Quote:
[/size]



try to add some value to your domains, and maybe in a couple of years you´ll get good offers for them.


[size]
Agree with you to a point. However I intended to populate a sample of my small collection of geo domains, when the new templates were announced I decided to wait till the summer when they were released, likewise I was hoping for a few other tweaks such as searching between specified .tels from 1 .tel so I could confirm the directory structure I would have for my network. These changes have not happened and we are still waiting for them this time for the end of the year. 
With limited time and limited funds available I am apprehensive about giving more time/money to something which does not currently look like it will fufill its potential. I would rather spend my resources on something which has a higher chance to succeed, while keeping an open mind on .tel and its progress.[/size]

mikeseaton11-25-2011 02:29 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by maximka (Post 19176)
What if somebody wants Telnic's value to drop down and then to buy it for cheap?


[size]
A quote from Maximka for the conspiracy theorists !

Surely this can't be true ?

Who, in a position to influence events, would benefit from this ?

Mike Seaton[/size]

daytonac11-26-2011 06:56 AM




just a curious question about dot.tels not being populated, how is it that the highest ranked dot.tel NIC.TEL has no content and its owned by telnic itself, shouldnt it be full of info??

cheers andre'

Live11-26-2011 05:13 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 19165)
... perhaps that die hards want the TLD to remain in it's original static form, purely for real-time contact sharing, while the community wants a dynamic, flexible, customizable platform.


[size]
In other words: the customers want something different the provider isn't willing to give to them (and in addition every explanation about the reasons is rejected)! Interesting how time can change the business strategy of a startup compamy![/size]

mikeseaton11-26-2011 06:27 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Live (Post 19220)
In other words: the customers want something different the provider isn't willing to give to them...


[size]
Companies that don't give customers what they want tend to wither and die - not sure why Telnic thinks this will not apply to them - once the .tel investment funding has run out of course !

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mikeseaton11-26-2011 07:37 PM




The total .tel registrations figure for 1 November 2011 has just been added athttp://www.hosterstats.com/DomainNameCounts2011.php.

It looks like after over 2.5 years .tel has achieved a 300K plateau, give or take a few K !

Looking at the latest figure it does appear "critical mass" is not going to happen at all unless...

Mike Seaton

mikeseaton11-29-2011 01:13 AM




This famous quote keeps coming into my head whenever I think about the .tel project !

"Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results".

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Re: The Reality of .Tel

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dutchstreetdog12-05-2011 09:49 PM




Year Jens!
Some people keep complaining And complaining And complaining
Nobody puts a nife on your throat to buy this domains!
And telnic has milljons to lose, So calm down a bit!
Howmuch the big complaners have invested?
10 euro, 20 euro, 50 euro, 5000 euro, ?!?!
no men, and if someone wants to run the buisniss, buy your own!
everybody can complain a bit, but some are worse then pregnant woman!
I myself can be a big complainer but on this forum i found my boss
Every move telnic makes, and the complaining goes off!
A , no good A . No good A link no good a 301 no good a 302 no good A box no good notting good !
ps mister tools Dont block mi for my complaining hahahahahahha 
I am not talking to nobody personal, but to eveybody complaining 
Mabye the intension from some complainers are good but some must realy calm down a bit!
Orrr Mabey take a pregnacy test, you never now!
No my humble advice is COOL DOWN, RELAX, DONT SPEND TO MUCH, and it will bey all good!
There are countrys, people are dieing from hunger, think of that before you start blowing upp like a frog

george12-06-2011 12:12 AM




Some people want to use TEL for personal e-cards, but want to reserve (or password protect) some sub-directories for private contact information which will be shared by only privileged persons. The TEL-friends feature is too complicated; in any case not all personal or business contacts would have a TEL or want to have a TEL. so they cannot be a TEL-friend. Because TEL does not offer this capability at present they refrain form using the TEL regularly.

2nd Point. To achieve mass recognition we can use the TELs for other than directories and personal e-cards and business mobile sites. When mass recognition comes mass registrations will follow and all TELS would become more valuable; many big players will become interested in getting on board and Telnic may be more confident in investing is rapid development. TELS can be used as advertising landing pages (QR coded etc etc) for billboards and other advertising media. Eg Real estate agents can use them for individual properties. 
Recently I introduces TEL to a manager of a large events-management company and I suggested to him that a TEL can be used for each event. When he saw how easy it was to register and populate a TEL and how easily it could be updated (and how useful it was) he was excited and planned to take the idea to senior management. 
My two cents.

george12-06-2011 12:22 AM




Sorry "I introduCED" ahem.

dutchstreetdog12-06-2011 11:53 AM




Who says you cant use telfriends witout a teldomain!

@Jens 
Year Jens good to hear you still have your humor aldo you invested a good ammount!
Keep laughing men Keep laughing, and when nesecery slaughter them hahahahah

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