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No Avoiding This Issue

Post by Telnic on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 5:49 pm

tony mayo01-09-2012 12:08 PM




No Avoiding This Issue
 
It gives me no pleasure whatsoever to return to tel-4.com again, but this issue can no longer be avoided.
These copy-cat directories are now out -ranking many of my .tel directories.
See examples for Balla Directory search here - 3 and 4.
And now it is getting worse. 
This am I received an email requesting a listing in one of my directories referring to the directory as a tel-4.com site!
Unless this monkey is removed from our collective backs soon, it is difficult to see how the wider business community can take the .tel domain seriously.

mikeseaton01-09-2012 01:24 PM




Hi Tony.

You are completely missing the point of what .tel is - Balla.tel is NOT your own web site - never was - never will be !

.TEL IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM OTHER EXTENSIONS !

YourDomain.com IS your own web site, hosted by whovever you choose, with you in complete control of the source code etc.

YourDomain.tel is Telnic's proxy reading of data you have freely chosen to put into a PUBLIC DNS - as you know the DNS is at the heart of the internet and if you look at ICANN's terms of reference you will probably find a clause that says DNS information must remain free for all to access and use.

If YourDomain.tel was your own web site you could block Tel-4.com from accessing it with a bit of clever coding - but you can't because it is not - it's nothing more that Telnic's proxy reading of your DNS data - just like Tel-4.com is doing.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PUBLIC DNS CONCEPT OF .TEL THEN THERE IS NO POINT IN REGISTERING .TEL DOMAINS !

WHY DO YOU THINK TELNIC HAS NEVER TAKEN ANY STEPS TO BLOCK TEL-4.COM ?

Mike Seaton

tony mayo01-09-2012 02:38 PM




I could almost hear that reply across the Irish sea!
I'm out of the office on mobile, but I recall
Nadya in a previous post taking a different view on our copyright
Will find it later and put up a link.
At any rate if what you say is correct why would any company use .tel when the domain can be so badly compromised?
You may be right but this is a core issue that may partly explain the poor uptake

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)01-09-2012 02:48 PM




Put a copyright notice on your content and then when it appears on his site, go to Google here and report suspicious behavior. Let's all do this.
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)01-09-2012 02:49 PM




Actually I see some of your pages have copyright so should be easier now to report.
Mark

mikeseaton01-09-2012 02:53 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by tony mayo (Post 19924)
At any rate if what you say is correct why would any company use .tel when the domain can be so badly compromised?
You may be right but this is a core issue that may partly explain the poor uptake



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The reason companies would use .tels, whose Public DNS is accessible by software proxies that are fairly easy to write, is that it provides a FREE way to disseminate your information across the internet.

Many companies spend a fortune, Google AdWords etc, trying to get their information read by as many people as possible.

Software Proxies like http://Domains123.Tel-4.com provide a free distribution service - they may sometimes rank higher thanhttp://Domains123.tel but I don't care how domain buyers arrive at http://Domains123.tel and http://www.Domains123.com - just that they do !

Additionally, if you look at another of my sites read by Tel-4.com, http://Australia.BoatFinder.Tel-4.com, you will see that it generates Direct Links to http://AU.BoatSearchEngine.com etc - this provides both FREE Traffic and the all-important Link Juice which will help http://AU.BoatSearchEngine.com rank well in SERPS.

So, More Publicity, Free Traffic, Extra Link Juice - I don't have a problem with that !

Mike Seaton[/size]

tony mayo01-09-2012 02:59 PM




I have reported this to Google but no response.

mikeseaton01-09-2012 03:11 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by tony mayo (Post 19929)
I have reported this to Google but no response.


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Tony, you won't get Public DNS-reading blocked for the reasons I explained in post #2.

Telnic could technically block Tel-4.com reading their DNS, though this may well lead to a dispute with ICANN, but they have chosen not to do so.

This should really clarify the situation regarding Public DNS-reading for all !

Mike Seaton[/size]

tony mayo01-09-2012 03:42 PM




Okay Mike. 
Looks like we have to grin and bear it.
Hope this guy finds something more useful to do soon.

maximka01-09-2012 03:54 PM




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tony mayo02-07-2012 05:42 PM




I'm afraid the game is up for .tel directories. This guy has single-handedly destroyed any prospect of a tel directory business model ever being taken seriously by anyone. 
It's all very well to talk about th Public DNS - but tel-4 shows that tel's biggest strength is also its greatest weakness - at least that is the way most people will view what tel-4 has demonstrated.
The reality is tel-4 has almost obliterated all of my directories - most which have virtually disappeared from Google searches. 
Sorry for raising this again - but does anyone else see the point in continuing building directorties to be cannabilised in this way unless Google acts to remove this duplication?

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)02-07-2012 05:48 PM




What search terms find tel-4 ahead of yours?
I would suggest putting a copyright notice on yours and either way, if he removes it or if he keeps it, contact Google to delist his site. I will do the same when I find he is ahead of any of my sites.
Mark

tony mayo02-07-2012 06:06 PM




Mark, I have twice contacted Google, but I didn't get a reply. 
Searching for many city directory.tels of mine sees tel-4 is ahead 
It was searching for a local hotel this afternoon I discovered the extent to which tel-4 is literally replacing tel directories.
It seems that Google is preferring the .com proxy he is using to the genuine article.
Surely this is not in anyone's interest including Telnic's?

dialaroom02-07-2012 06:22 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by tony mayo (Post 20250)
I'm afraid the game is up for .tel directories. This guy has single-handedly destroyed any prospect of a tel directory business model ever being taken seriously by anyone. 
It's all very well to talk about th Public DNS - but tel-4 shows that tel's biggest strength is also its greatest weakness - at least that is the way most people will view what tel-4 has demonstrated.
The reality is tel-4 has almost obliterated all of my directories - most which have virtually disappeared from Google searches. 
Sorry for raising this again - but does anyone else see the point in continuing building directorties to be cannabilised in this way unless Google acts to remove this duplication?



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I'm not defending the man in any way, but are you sure it's his site doing the damage. Searching for "mayo" is bringing up mayo.tel long before the 4tel version. 

Must admit some of my .tels (geos mainly) are going rapidly backwards in SERPS depending upon keyword used. Google has been changing algorithms lately,giving less worth to sub-domain structures, overloaded ad sites and other factors that made .tel great in searches.

If we can prove it's 4tel and the man, I'll be the first to join any effort to bring it down. Just think we need to be sure it's not other outside factors. 

.Tel mobile directories do have a future, great resources like Mayo.tel are needed. Perhaps we need some Telnic advice here guys, might be time to come off the fence, grasp the nettle etc. At least comment, please, some guys here are worried.[/size]

tony mayo02-07-2012 06:34 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by dialaroom (Post 20254)
I'm not defending the man in any way, but are you sure it's his site doing the damage. Searching for "mayo" is bringing up mayo.tel long before the 4tel version. 
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dialaroom mayo is okay but many other directories have been overtaken. Why Google cannot see what he is doing is just duplication puzzles me - and it does appear that they are favouring his .com site over .tels.
You're right about the mobile directories - but what I'm afraid of is that this guy will do something similar in the moble web.
Copying the information is one thing that we all have to live with to a certain extent whether it's text, data or images - but replicating something that's already there in an iframe or whatever method he is using and being rewarded by Google is hard to take.[/size]

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)02-07-2012 10:36 PM




I don't think JLB is being rewarding by Google as there is no Adsense there so he must be getting some bucks via affiliate links. However his nefarious deep-linking strategy should be a warning for Google to change algorithms to detect it and promote original content. Would be great if Telnic stepped in at the high contact level.
Mark

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)02-07-2012 10:55 PM




FYI, JLB is also do the same at Tel2Social.com
Mark

maximka02-08-2012 05:36 AM




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tony mayo02-08-2012 10:47 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 20260)
I Would be great if Telnic stepped in at the high contact level.
Mark



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This has to happen urgently. 
Telnic's core concept for individuals and corporate identities controlling their own online profile is already being framed by porn adverts on tel-4 
It is only a matter of time before this abuse is noticed in certain quarters and the game is up for the tel domain. 
The selling point of having control of your own contact information is being made look very foolish by this man - and I take no pleasure in saying that. 
This issue is a ticking timebomb for the tel domain concept and should have been nipped at the bud.[/size]

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Re: No Avoiding This Issue

Post by Telnic on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 5:50 pm

TELcp02-08-2012 04:15 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by tony mayo (Post 20263)
Telnic's core concept for individuals and corporate identities controlling their own online profile is already being framed by porn adverts on tel-4


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We did a little bit of research on this before starting version 2.0 of TELcp. That was somewhere in Nov/Dec 2009.
This kind of interference (unrelated ads on tel page content by reading public DNS) on directories built on .tel domain was taken into consideration. However, Individuals and corporate sector is not affected that much by this as they can protect the content by maintaining as "private data" for communication purposes. So they don't get affected.

As Mike says in his post#2, there is no way to protect the public data that you put on a tel page.

But you can protect your content (The material what you put on the page) by posting a copyrights notice.
And, if necessary, go after the violators legally, which is of course a very costly affair.


Cheers![/size]

tony mayo02-08-2012 05:05 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by TELcp (Post 20266)
.However, Individuals and corporate sector is not affected that much by this as they can protect the content by maintaining as "private data" for communication purposes. So they don't get affected.
!



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Personal and corporate .tel domains are also being framed in this way which seriously undermines the credibility of the brand for all of us - and that is why we must do whatever it takes to protect .tel before this goes any further.
What if you sell a listing to a local business and that person searches and finds the framed listing showing up ahead of your directory?
It will to be too late to do anything at that stage.[/size]

TELcp02-09-2012 07:46 AM




@tony mayo

We do understand the situation and we expected this or even worse (similar situation) knowing how the .tel tld works technically.

Yes, as a owner of many premium names of .tel domains we are concerned as well.
We see only two possible options, as far as the .tel tld is concerned), to stop this.

1) Get the fraudulent websites black listed by reporting to search engines indicating 
that so and so is violating TOS etc or taking legal action against copyrights violations.
2) If Telnic can provide an option for the .tel domain owner either to make the DNS 
records public or not. (But, again we are going back to the square one. Telnic has 
already provided this by means of an option to provide private data, which we feel is 
the most important feature of the .tel.)

So these are the limits of the .tel domain.
Unless there is a possibility that Telnic can limit certain services (such as reading DNS) only to selected (verified) ip addresses that comply with TOS (Telnic's). 


Cheers!

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