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Is this the end ?

Post by Telnic on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 6:42 pm

mikeseaton08-26-2012 10:54 PM




Is this the end ?
 
See http://www.teltalk.org/t400-is-every...-is-there#1674

dutchstreetdog08-27-2012 05:35 PM




I think you are the end !

mikeseaton08-27-2012 06:10 PM




Dutch, you still don't get it do you !

THE ONLY WAY ARE MAKING MONEY ON .TEL IS WITH A PORN SITE - http://sexgids.tel

Anyone can make money with a porn web site, so it's hardly a ringing endorsement of the .tel concept !

Get real Dutch, it appears for you porn is the answer, I bet your family are really proud of you ?

End of discussion.

Mike Seaton

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)08-27-2012 07:19 PM




Hey Mike, sell your tels or develop them.
Mark

dutchstreetdog08-27-2012 08:57 PM




Well we eat, we drink, we laugh, what more needs a human!
We are happy :-)
Mabey you have invested to much, i dont now ?
But dont let it gett under your skin men, cheer up !
Telnic is not the end of the world, its just like the casino !
CONTROL

Sumerlin08-27-2012 11:02 PM




It is very difficult to monetize .tel sites.
What we urgently need is a method of accepting payments and Telnic just spent two years developing new templates. You can have thousand new nameplates and not be able to monetize them unless you are prepared to go from business to business and ask them to pay you cash for your services.

dutchstreetdog08-28-2012 06:43 AM




You can put your paypal button if you like

daytonac08-30-2012 08:51 AM




its been the end for about a year, we just didnt realise it/want to believe it, but this renewal time round, ive renewed 7 dot.tels, but i fear that it was 7 too many, to go from over 300 1st yr, to about 80 2nd yr, to 7 this yr, good luck to all who are still throwing large amounts at this extension all i can say is the naysayers were right,and are still laughing at us 3 yrs on, this horse is dead, but feel free to whip some more.................

daytonac

ynp08-30-2012 11:48 PM




More people would buy a .tel if they could buy it from their smartphone ... and then set it up right there on the spot ...

Mark Kolb (Kprobe)08-31-2012 12:32 AM




This automatic setup is what is missing with all registrars at the moment. I contacted name.com and suggested that they automatically initiate a setup wizard upon registration. They said that was a great idea, went off to discuss with their teams and two weeks later said they wouldn't do it. What Telnames has with reg'n is what all registrars should have. But seems Telnic never pushed that as a facility. Telnic should have had that implemented three years ago. Instead they are doing that only with their Telnames brand, not the professional .tel. 

If you were to buy a .Tel through your smartphone then there should be a wizard to setup it up right there before people ask "what next" and then lose interest. This needs to be in place not only for Telnames but all .Tel sales.

Mark

HawkP08-31-2012 12:38 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by daytonac (Post 25444)
its been the end for about a year, we just didnt realise it/want to believe it, but this renewal time round, ive renewed 7 dot.tels, but i fear that it was 7 too many, to go from over 300 1st yr, to about 80 2nd yr, to 7 this yr, good luck to all who are still throwing large amounts at this extension all i can say is the naysayers were right,and are still laughing at us 3 yrs on, this horse is dead, but feel free to whip some more.................

daytonac



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Hi Daytonac, were you able to sell many of the original 300? If so; at good prices?[/size]

daytonac08-31-2012 09:45 AM




i think all up, ive sold about 18, the highest for $100, so let alot fall off, and yes i may not have promoted them as good as i could, but then who is. all i know is that when the 2 major telco companies (in australia) let there dot.tels fall off, thats it, shes done, because if they can't be bothered renewing them, how do they expect others to use it.

Geo09-01-2012 08:12 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Mark Kolb (Kprobe) (Post 25457)
This automatic setup is what is missing with all registrars at the moment. I contacted name.com and suggested that they automatically initiate a setup wizard upon registration. They said that was a great idea, went off to discuss with their teams and two weeks later said they wouldn't do it. What Telnames has with reg'n is what all registrars should have. But seems Telnic never pushed that as a facility. Telnic should have had that implemented three years ago. Instead they are doing that only with their Telnames brand, not the professional .tel. 

If you were to buy a .Tel through your smartphone then there should be a wizard to setup it up right there before people ask "what next" and then lose interest. This needs to be in place not only for Telnames but all .Tel sales.

Mark



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Absolutely agree Mark... Wizards for initial or quick setup... Like how Google does it.

That and easy and flexible tools for adding logos, pics, ads, videos, etc. I don't mean to take away from what you have done Mark or others providing such bulk tools, but seriously - what was Telnic thinking? Why would millions of people pay for what others are offering for free plus much more?

First of all Telnic needs to expand its development team. Then it needs to keep rolling out improvements, features, etc at a steady pace, responsive to Tel owners. The product right now, from a user pt of view is that it's a half baked cake.[/size]

boracay.tel09-01-2012 08:56 AM




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Originally Posted by Geo (Post 25469)
First of all Telnic needs to expand its development team.


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Wordpress's free model a good example. There are over 200 themes for that platform on sign-up. Only problem...no integrated domain

Telnic has in fact a 1-up with "integrated domain in the box".... 
Just open up the toolset, .tel will fly.[/size]

Geo09-01-2012 09:02 AM




All technical stuff aside, people generally have no interest in whether the data is stored in DNS records or some Telnic server... They care about what they can do with their Tel domain... They care about:

- what they can show (content, media, logo, etc)
- how they can customize and create their own look
- discoverability (being found)
- securing their privacy ( levels of privacy )
- easy and quick to manage 
- what they can do with it (socialize, interact, advertise, connect)
- how they can monetize it (domainer mindset)

If and when Telcos ever implement the tech side to it's potential really depends on whether or not critical mass is behind the use of Tels; the question is how to get that critical popularity to which I respond provide the users a fully baked cake. 

Tel is basically just a directory at this point - make that work fully too, so businesses especially can see the value - both thru SEO and Telpages.

On top of that Telnic needs to build a real community buzz ; they need more than just a Telpages search - they need to bring Telowners together.

What Telnic offers right now in terms of an

Geo09-01-2012 09:04 AM




All technical stuff aside, people generally have no interest in whether the data is stored in DNS records or some Telnic server... They care about what they can do with their Tel domain... They care about:

- what they can show (content, media, logo, etc)
- how they can customize and create their own look
- discoverability (being found)
- securing their privacy ( levels of privacy )
- easy and quick to manage 
- what they can do with it (socialize, interact, advertise, connect)
- how they can monetize it (domainer mindset)

If and when Telcos ever implement the tech side to it's potential really depends on whether or not critical mass is behind the use of Tels; the question is how to get that critical popularity to which I respond provide the users a fully baked cake. 

Tel is basically just a directory at this point - make that work fully too, so businesses especially can see the value - both thru SEO and Telpages.

On top of that Telnic needs to build a real community buzz ; they need more than just a Telpages search - they need to bring Telowners together.

What Telnic offers right now in terms of an Online business card is a decent start, but it's quite boring and onerous at this point. As a domain, Tel's potential lies in the turnkey opportunity to get a web presence up and running with no fussing over hosting. Work that end of things now and then when there are 10 million happy Tel owners maybe the Telcos will consider making it possible to dial someone with a Tel address instead of a 10 digit number. As it stands there's nothing else a Tel offers that any other domain name cant provide and much more. Any domain could serve the same function as Ben.Tel.

tony mayo09-01-2012 10:07 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by daytonac (Post 25462)
i when the 2 major telco companies (in australia) let there dot.tels fall off, thats it, shes done, because if they can't be bothered renewing them, how do they expect others to use it.


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Sureyl @daytonac's news is a wake up to call to do what @boracay suggests below!

Quote:
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Originally Posted by boracay.tel (Post 25470)
Telnic has in fact a 1-up with "integrated domain in the box".... 
Just open up the toolset, .tel will fly.




Geo09-02-2012 05:50 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by boracay.tel (Post 25470)
Wordpress's free model a good example. There are over 200 themes for that platform on sign-up. Only problem...no integrated domain

Telnic has in fact a 1-up with "integrated domain in the box".... 
Just open up the toolset, .tel will fly.



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Yes, I think Wordpress is a good model for Telnic to consider...

Start with the equivalent of Wordpress.com - out of the box free working place to call home with a central point to connect from, and get SEO boost, plus plenty of turnkey templates and plugins to make your mark.... For the more adventurous there are more options such as configure and host it yourself. At the same time a whole industry sprung up around WP selling deluxe themes, plugins and customization.

This is what Tel needs. I believe the folks at Telnic need to think less like a registry and more like social networkers... If they want to change the world.[/size]

wibblenut09-02-2012 05:13 PM




The obstacle to any kind of 'freemium' model is that Telnic would still have to pay ICANN fees.

The fundamental problem remains that there's very little value in owning a .tel domain, whether or not it's free. To change that they need to build meaningful partnerships with other service providers, but evidently (after 3.5+ years) such a proposition has not been sufficiently convincing.

I think Telnic could stimulate more demand if they liberalised the A record restriction, allowing people to use .tel domains for generic websites as an option. They could even charge an additional fee for this. They should also become more developer friendly and encourage alternative TelHosting providers, rather than stifle them.

Alex09-02-2012 11:59 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by wibblenut (Post 25477)
The obstacle to any kind of 'freemium' model is that Telnic would still have to pay ICANN fees.


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The ICANN fee is a few cents only. Should that be really a problem?
Quote:
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Originally Posted by wibblenut (Post 25477)
I think Telnic could stimulate more demand if they liberalised the A record restriction, allowing people to use .tel domains for generic websites as an option.


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Telnic have given their statement to this suggestion already:
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Justin Hayward (Post 19480)
No user defined A Records are allowed per our agreement with ICANN.


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Alternatives to redirects are possible (without using A records), but Telnic won't change its strategy quickly.
Quote:
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Originally Posted by wibblenut (Post 25477)
They should also become more developer friendly and encourage alternative TelHosting providers, rather than stifle them.


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Besides all other activities and suggestions this is an indispensable requirement for success, but Telnic have shown clearly they don't want to do this!
.tel won't be successful until developers are allowed to take part! The only thing we can do is waiting a few years until Telnic understand this, too![/size]
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Re: Is this the end ?

Post by Telnic on Tue 30 Dec 2014, 6:43 pm

wibblenut09-03-2012 12:18 AM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25478)
The ICANN fee is a few cents only. Should that be really a problem?


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To the best of my knowledge it's $0.18. There are other variable ICANN fees (sharing their cost base). I imagine they also have to pay their supplier (Neustar) a fee per domain year. And there are other infrastructure/business costs. What the overall unit cost is I don't know.

Telnic is the best judge to know whether or not 'freemium' could be economic - maybe they've decided it isn't, or maybe it's being kept under consideration. But my belief is that it would not fundamentally change anything.

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25478)
Telnic have given their statement to this suggestion already: "No user defined A Records are allowed per our agreement with ICANN."


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They should be trying to renegotiate their agreement.

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25478)
Alternatives to redirects are possible (without using A records), but Telnic won't change its strategy quickly.


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Maybe, but that wouldn't cut it.

Quote:
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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 25478)
Besides all other activities and suggestions this is an indispensable requirement for success, but Telnic have shown clearly they don't want to do this!
.tel won't be successful until developers are allowed to take part! The only thing we can do is waiting a few years until Telnic understand this, too!



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Every business should continually re-evaluate its plan, and particularly a failing one. They must be doing this privately and trying to square some of these same issues. To date they have been very undynamic. But I have to say that I respect the employees I've gotten to know and believe they'll steer the company in the right direction. I want them to succeed.

One final thing - it's easy for me (and others) to sit on the sidelines, even if some of our criticisms might be valid. Always be generous people. :)[/size]

Geo09-03-2012 06:48 AM




Speaking for myself, I want Tel to succeed, and by extension Telnic... or I wouldn't be investing our time here and our money on Tel domains. 

All my criticism is hopefully taken as constructive... and springing from my passion and vision, as opposed to any ill will or bitterness toward Telnic. I hope that they take it as such... even if some of my comments may come across as naive or ill-informed.

Long live Tel.

boracay.tel09-03-2012 01:00 PM




Ynp wrote:
More people would buy a .tel if they could buy it from their smartphone ... and then set it up right there on the spot ...


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Under iOS6 (due out in a few weeks) millions of iPhone and iPad users browser will automatically be upgraded (and luckily for telnames it will be a reality to simply add photos and backgrounds right there on the device)

1 stop website created on your cell phone.

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Ps I've been playing with this for a few weeks. 
It's what the telnic CTH should have. Easy photo uploads from idevices. 
(Ill keep saying this.....millions and millions and millions of idevices are in the wild)
The projections for the iphone5 are additional and STAGGERING for 2013.
Well, i guess its no harm in asking. is the upgrade still on the table for the standard CTH?
Henri said photo uploads were coming to my.tel

Go after the apple user.
(huge huge numbers)

Simon G09-03-2012 01:12 PM




Quote:



Go after the apple user.
(huge huge numbers)


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Agreed how about getting the ladies that do the telnic/telnames stands @ tradeshows to be first in the Q at the Apple Flagship stores wearing some catchy .tel tshirts. TV cameras/media will be there for certain!! and may even pick up on .tel due to the GTLD circus at the moment.

Perhaps also discounts to those customers standing in the Q waiting to get the iphone 5. These people are most likely tech literate and looking for the next big thing and are stuck in a Q what better way to get people to try your product!!]

Crikey you could even have some sort of cryptic puzzle like emmas journey for them to absorb the hours[/size]

boracay.tel09-03-2012 01:22 PM




Quote:



Originally Posted by Simon G (Post 25486)
first in the Q at the Apple Flagship stores wearing some catchy .tel tshirts. TV cameras/media will be there for certain!!


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Exactly.
That's just the client.
iPhone iPhone iPhone
You just know its going to be HUGE[/size]

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