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Post by Alex on Sat 08 Sep 2012, 9:26 pm

kprobe wrote:My suggestion would be to itemize in detail the technical issues that people find lacking in .Tel. I see on the left there is a poll. Perhaps that is the starting point. The various facilities where concrete discussion can be targeted include:

CTH, Templates (mobile and desktop), TelPages, TelFriends, Registrar support, (anything else?).

Areas like marketing, domain investing, lack of news/roadmap I would omit for now. Concentrate on what you'd like to see changed technically, but always provide details. I find in the past that the more details you provide especially including benefits of a feature will get more action. We've done this in the past, and if some recall, the result was AdSense support and images. These were community suggestions. We can probably do it again if the tone is positive and there is structure in the discussions.

Alex, can I suggest you start a thread for technical suggestions and we stay strictly on topic (ie you moderate to keep the focus)? I have to assume that a focused discussion will get Telnic's attention and separate the wheat from the chaff.

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First let's concentrate on collecting and describing topics how Telnic could increase the benefit for .tel domain owners and visitors!

This should include technical enhancements for all known tools provided by Telnic (.tel domains, control panel, TelPages, TelFriends, apps and more).

After we collected the most important issues, we can prioritize and communicate them actively to Telnic.


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Re: REQUEST FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS: Please tell us your suggestions to improve .tel!

Post by ntervu on Sat 08 Sep 2012, 10:05 pm

A noble response Alex.

However, let us keep in mind that it is easy for people to provide ideas when no $$$ is put on the table. Every suggestion or idea has a price tag to Telnic or any business for that matter.

Anyone with a project management, engineering or SDLC background worth their weight in gold knows that this can not be adequately accomplished on an open forum like this.

Sounding off on a forum is easy. Technically, lets come to the table and put real investments into business development. Too much time is wasted sounding off.

Requirements gathering, management and coordination is a process that is detailed and extremely involved.


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Re: REQUEST FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS: Please tell us your suggestions to improve .tel!

Post by telrific on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 5:53 am

I believe that has been done for years, only to be as the words in the Bible that are too commonly associated with Telnic for over 3 years now:

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

There have been real attempts to work with Telnic for years, and none had anything to do with forums, still, here we are.

If you want to take your turn, go for it, and good luck.
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Re: REQUEST FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS: Please tell us your suggestions to improve .tel!

Post by Rambo on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 7:05 am

Okay, here some important, but missing features which have been repeated many times already:
.tel domains
- Background pictures for all .tel domain owners and for all templates
- Big pictures for all templates - not only template 8
- Ability to insert numerous pictures and at any position
- Ability to insert text at any position of the domain and formatting it (minimum: bold letters and itemization / listings – cursive and underlined text would be nice, too)
- Providing footer with links
- Masked URL - to cover long hyperlinks
- Buttons for social networks on all templates
- Individual logo for contact types
- Direct upload of pictures and videos
- Direct management of ads - without using third party tools
- Delivering “Free Calls” buttons
- RSS feeder for content updates
- Integration of contact forms - as seen on http://zouwei.tel
Delivering the designed features for template 8:
- Opening and closing sections
- Possibility for aggregation of several contact types
- Delivering modern icons
- Inserting text in the main body of the domain
Here requirements especially for the template from Telnames:
- Increasing the picture size of the image gallery - currently visitors need a magnifier
- Subdomains
- Integration of Telfriends also for Telnames
- Allowing more than 20 contact types
- Flexibility for sorting the content so that not every .tel at Telnames looks exactly like every other .tel from Telnames
Telpages
- Reasonable sorting of search results - domain content before subdomains
- Integration of standard features like on other search engines (previews / filters) and advanced search options (individuals / kind of business)
- Advanced user interface to sort search results by distance to the current location of the visitor - with specification about the distance
- Delivering valuable information from the found .tel domains in the search results of Telpages - instead of randomly and useless text phrases
Telfriends
- Reliable operation of friend request
- Developing the website Telfriends.org to a respectable resource which is working and where people can find something
Apps
- Possibility for registration of .tel domains on cell phones

Everybody should understand the indispensable necessity for these improvements.
Many things have been promised by Telnic in the past.
The list above clearly shows who is in charge to bring success to .tel: as soon it is possible to create a valuable .tel domain, .tel domain owners can start using them and filling them with content!
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Re: REQUEST FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS: Please tell us your suggestions to improve .tel!

Post by Telminator on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 9:23 am

I make it short!
This is what I call a useful .tel domain (which was introduced on this forum already): puntotel.es
If we would have the shown range of abilities, .tel would become a tool for everybody!
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Post by telrific on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 9:27 am

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Post by TelKing on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 9:57 am

Rambo wrote:as soon it is possible to create a valuable .tel domain, .tel domain owners can start using them and filling them with content!
The most famous and most important SEO rule: What brings success to a domain? Content!
Completely ignored by Telnic since 2009!
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Re: REQUEST FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS: Please tell us your suggestions to improve .tel!

Post by telrific on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 10:00 am

TelKing wrote:
Rambo wrote:as soon it is possible to create a valuable .tel domain, .tel domain owners can start using them and filling them with content!
The most famous and most important SEO rule: What brings success to a domain? Content!
Completely ignored by Telnic since 2009!

Good thing that Telnic finally figured out that the only good content for .tel is general content !

Same answer: http://www.teltalk.org/t433-new-great-features-at-telnames#1878
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Re: REQUEST FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS: Please tell us your suggestions to improve .tel!

Post by kprobe on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 10:27 am

Telminator wrote:I make it short!
This is what I call a useful .tel domain (which was introduced on this forum already): puntotel.es
If we would have the shown range of abilities, .tel would become a tool for everybody!

I can't analyze every page on your domain to understand your requirements although I can see that creative content is important. Can you provide a missing features list?
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Post by kprobe on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 10:28 am

@telrific is it possible for you to make a list of technical features for Telpages improvements?
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Post by kprobe on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 10:29 am

@rambo, thank you for your list. I will have questions on some of these features.
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Post by Rambo on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 10:40 am

kprobe wrote:@rambo, thank you for your list. I will have questions on some of these features.
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Post by telrific on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 11:15 am

Sure thing Mark,

Following the intelligent structure outlined here > http://www.teltalk.org/t433-new-great-features-at-telnames#1878 one can easily determine that the key features that would be "technical" features that TelPages should employ as sight/sound/touch/time relevant to global acceptance are as follows:

Display:

1. Remove the rich features and display only the key content as is done when viewing .tel information on the simpliest of devices.
(This would be a standard result showing key text information only - such as title (name), domain (name), header information (statement), and a couple of key contact records such as phone and address - without any other free text or features until the telpage itself, much like: Name, Address, Telephone Number as a basic display, and then a "more..." to the telpage itself.)


2. Display these results in a structured format much like a business card, so that the display information is consistent and readable.
(The only additional consideration should be the logo inclusion.)

So far, you may recognize that this information is consistent with the information (generally) provided with the first .tel style introduced to all .tel registrants, with consideration for the logo as a very key piece of graphically necessary branding information, i.e. the first key addition and modification request to the original offering.

So, imagine the original introduction frontpage information, minus the free text, possibly with a logo included as the results display structure as a business card. (A benefit might be very small favicons to show what is on the telpage, video, facebook, etc.)

As an example, see the member directory of this forum, the display structure should not look very much different ultimately. and TelPages actually began much this way before being destroyed functionally.

This is then a globally accepted presentation as a business card "listing" with vital information accessible by all internet-enable devices.

We've stated it as a "business card", so show it as a basic business card first, then the telpage after and as the advancement to a basic one, and regardless of the template and subdomain choices.

This inherently includes what the .tel and telpages message is, by including the message in the TelPages to .tel functionality.

Search Order:

3. The search order would always be consistent as Kash and Henri stated prior to general availability, with Domain Name and Title the Key search pair priority, with the advanced search available for additional refinement versus scrolling, etc.

4. This serves all .tel registrants of every template style and provides for the simple viewing and response necessary as a first step for all .tel registrants and telpages users trying to locate them from a single, intelligent starting point.


All additional information is available thereafter, with content and/or subdomains as each Registrant chooses.

Under no circumstances should 3rd level+ (subdomains) be displayed until and unless all primary registrants are respected and displayed first.


This "technical" information should be a common sense understanding and commitment, as the world respects it and responds favorably to it every day as the directory structure of choice.

Telnic has made the statements as to these 2 prime directives, and so should have a TelPages results structure consistent with those 2 first.

You simply don't tell the world to get a .tel domain that acts as a business card online, discoverable in a global directory and have the garbage you have now. Blatent disrespect to lure registrants into a "global rolodex" an give them "trash in a landfill".

Anyone can see the "technical" features that might be respected if you give them the first reference there instead of the last.


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Re: REQUEST FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS: Please tell us your suggestions to improve .tel!

Post by kprobe on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 11:20 am

@rambo, 1st round of questions for rendering of .tel domain content:

- Ability to insert numerous pictures and at any position
This is an unlikely proposal because of the fact that Telnic templates and the underlying code conform to a fairly rigid layout. For such changes to occur within templates I suspect this would require a complete reengineering of templates and from the past, I know Telnic wouldn't entertain such a radical change with their proxies. The embedding of small icons and clicking to enlarge would be a more likely scenario, but the issues with that are the changes to support formatting so that templates never break, forcing image sizing.

Q: is there any specific format that would be suitable to support your request without changing existing template layouts?

- Ability to insert text at any position of the domain and formatting it
(minimum: bold letters and itemization / listings – cursive and underlined text
would be nice, too)


This is similar to above in the sense that layout changes would need to be supported and hence unlikely. However the formatting of text would be easier to support without impact to the layout. My proposal here would be for Telnic to support basic HTML tags like and with HTML tag validation so that templates don't break.

- Providing footer with links
Q: Is this just a line at the bottom of a page with a link and maybe copyright information as commonly found on many websites?

- Masked URL - to cover long hyperlinks
Q: Do you want to hide the entire link and just keep anchor text or to convert the anchor text to something like "http://www.zazzle.com/..." ?

- Individual logo for contact types


Q: Does this mean you want to supply your own logos to the left of certain NAPTR records?

- Delivering “Free Calls” buttons
Q: Please explain.


- Integration of contact forms - as seen on http://zouwei.tel


Q: Would it be just a simple form where you just supply the labels? eg see the form nfrm.us/CONTACT_US at OK.tel or a customizable form?
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Post by kprobe on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 11:49 am

@telrific Thanks all good information. I'd like to add another detail and that is to remove near duplicate content from at least the same domain. This is probably not an easy thing for Telnic to do as search engines are the expert on this.
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Country Dropdown List is essential

Post by mikeseaton on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:44 pm

For any form of global directory to be created from the raw data of .tels, it is essential that the Country name is entered on the .tel via a dropdown list and not just keyed-in as free text as it currently is.

Otherwise the global directory software will have to cope with ALL the possible permutations that a user could enter as a free text country name e.g.:

- America
- United States
- US
- U.S.
- United States of America
- US of A
- U.S. of A.
- USA
- U.S.A.

This suggestion has been made more than once on Telnic's forum, but so far both Telnic and Telnames .tels do not have this, just a free text box for Country, though Telnames does give the user a Country dropdown list when making card payment for the domain !

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Post by telrific on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:10 pm

Agreed on both points, @Mark and @Mike.

Here's how the results should be displayed in TelPages for all registrants to begin with, showing the critical information and a standard structure that users want, with the option for more and greater as decided by the registrants and users thereafter, on their .tel page as they see fit:

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Post by mikeseaton on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:14 pm

@telrific - looks good !

Interesting to hear forum members views as to whether any global directory created should be just for Telnames .tels (IMO the only ones that will ever be marketed from now on) or for the original Telnic subdomain .tels as well ?

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Post by telrific on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:18 pm

mikeseaton wrote:@telrific - looks good !

Interesting to hear forum members views as to whether any global directory created should be just for Telnames .tels (IMO the only ones that will ever be marketed from now on) or for the original Telnic subdomain .tels as well ?

http://MikeSeaton.tel

The TelPages results structure in this format would not care as it will display the results as standard "mortar" for the .tel domain "bricks" of any template style, taking only the critical information for TelPages use. It almost appears as though Telnames was designed to give the "card" information and a directory "results" information that was synonymous, however the rich features and extended information et. al. would be too much for a valuable directory result.

This capitalizes only on key "TEL" related information as traditionally recognized and valued, then leads to what will surely be traditionally recognized as "DOTTEL" related information as device and broadband technology are capable of making all features "directory results".


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Post by Rambo on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:21 pm

kprobe wrote:Q: is there any specific format that would be suitable to support your request without changing existing template layouts?
I understand only cost efficient changes can be realized.
Currently the main problem is it isn't possible to place a picture connected to the rest of the content of a .tel domain.
Right now a picture can be placed only on top or at the bottom (or at the sidebar). It would be a great help if an area in the middle of the domain can be provided where I can insert text, one picture or one video.
If we have this option the .tel owner can decide himself what content he likes to give priority to display first (by placing it on top of the domain).
By doing this he can place contact types, longer text, videos or pictures first (in the order he likes).
That would be really nice already. With this small improvement we would come close to a content management system.

Regarding picture format I would say only template 8 provides an usable picture size at the moment. All other available banner sizes would be recognized by visitors only as advertisement. But those banners are only needed by people who want to monetize their .tel domain. In my perspective SMBs are more valuable customers to .tel, because those are the real end users. They need pictures, not advertisement on their .tels.
kprobe wrote:Q: Is this just a line at the bottom of a page with a link and maybe copyright information as commonly found on many websites?
I'm thinking about the following: Please visit http://Telnames.com and take the footer as reference:
- About Us
- Contact Us
- Features
- Testimonials
- Terms & Conditions
- Privacy
- Support
- Partner with Us
A lot of people don't want to register a .tel and then a .com in addition. They want to buy an all-inclusive package. So these customers need what a common website usually provides. As you said: "as commonly found on many websites"
kprobe wrote:Q: Do you want to hide the entire link and just keep anchor text or to convert the anchor text to something like "http://www.zazzle.com/..." ?
Internet users don't trust affiliate links and avoid clicking them. On every normal website it is possible to define the text for every single link like I demonstrate it here: Please visit the best website in the whole world!
kprobe wrote:Q: Does this mean you want to supply your own logos to the left of certain NAPTR records?
Yes, especially since Telnic provides antiquated icons. If I can upload my own icons, Telnic doesn't need to worry about my taste anymore.
kprobe wrote:Delivering “Free Calls” buttons
The visitor will find a button on a .tel of a business: "Call Us For Free".
The visitor clicks the button, enters his own phone number and gets a call. After he picked up his phone a call to the .tel domain owner will be initiated.
There are several providers who offer this kind of service. Some are even without fees for the (.tel) domain owner.
Which other domain extension is better predestinated for using this service than .tel?
kprobe wrote: Q: Would it be just a simple form where you just supply the labels? eg see the form nfrm.us/CONTACT_US at OK.tel or a customizable form?
No, http://www.telmailbox.com offers this already. I would like to have the contact form inside of the .tel domain without leaving it.
I have seen this on http://zouwei.tel , but can't find it again.


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Post by kprobe on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:23 pm

@telrific visually appealing and excellent example.
@mike all .tel information must be found via Telpages. However, the display of information should be filtered. Let the users decide what they want shown, so no restrictions for telnames vs telpages vs subdomains.
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Post by kprobe on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:26 pm

@rambo: With respect to an area where you can insert images and text, I would think that the only reasonable solution would be to create a new NAPTR type to support an iframe. That way you can supply any content you need without any modifications to layout, just constrained by width, with an overflow style that allows vertical sizing.
Would that do the trick?
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Post by telrific on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:40 pm

kprobe wrote:A lot of people don't want to register a .tel and then a .com in addition. They want to buy an all-inclusive package. So these customers need what a common website usually provides.

This is where the trouble begins, you have to drop that mentality or it's over for .tel.

Think television commercial, period.

No matter what someone has in advertising, it has nothing to do with their website or their business content.

Telnames is the perfect example of where a .tel should begin (after TelPages) and end where it serves it's purpose.

This is very key to maintaining the entire purpose of .tel and TelPages as the "beginning of beginnings" not "beginning to end to include nothing thereafter", even online.

When we make it more, we are creating a disaster for .tel and TelPages, as it should never be viewed as anything other than a directory of "advertisements" that leads to any type of content thereafter.

(.tel to the actual building and its content, .tel to a telephone conversation and its content, .tel to a website and its content, etc., etc.)

TelPages is the Ad Directory, .TEL is the Ad Content, and .COM or Any other Container is the content after the Ad.

If people don't choose to have an online "container" after .tel so be it, but it never should and never will replace .com containers and their capacity(ies) if they do want more.

Trying to say that you can have "a valuable directory" "a valuable ad" and "nothing more is needed for anyone" (even online) spells disaster for the whole purpose of .tel ! Focus is the key, not everything for everyone.


Let TelPages and be the directory to the primary .TEL Ad of every company regardless of what links go where thereafter !






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Post by kprobe on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:40 pm

Rambo wrote:Q: Is this just a line at the bottom of a page with a link and maybe copyright information as commonly found on many websites?
I'm thinking about the following: Please visit http://Telnames.com and take the footer as reference:
- About Us
- Contact Us
- Features
- Testimonials
- Terms & Conditions
- Privacy
- Support
- Partner with Us
A lot of people don't want to register a .tel and then a .com in addition. They want to buy an all-inclusive package. So these customers need what a common website usually provides. [/quote]

Now this is an interesting format. Not sure how easy it would be to do, but essentially it provides similar characteristics to most websites. Each would be a goto link to a subdomain page. So instead of having a vertical, spread out "menu", this would be simply horizontal. Very nice.

One way to implement might be something like a special order and preference number for GOTO NAPTR's whereby positioning goto's at the end of the ordering sequence would result in them being grouped together horizontally at the bottom of the (desktop) proxy. That way all existing proxies would still work and only proxies that need to support grouping would require a change.

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Post by Rambo on Sun 09 Sep 2012, 1:46 pm

kprobe wrote:@rambo: With respect to an area where you can insert images and text, I would think that the only reasonable solution would be to create a new NAPTR type to support an iframe. That way you can supply any content you need without any modifications to layout, just constrained by width, with an overflow style that allows vertical sizing.
Would that do the trick?
Mark
Partly, because with such workaround the usability for the .tel owner will suffer. That's why I prefer a solution ready-to-use inside Telnic's control panel.
As I wrote earlier customers want an all-inclusive package. But if my wish is too expensive, I'm would be happy about any new features.


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