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Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Expert on Wed 29 Apr 2015, 4:57 am

Current display: +442074676450

Official spelling: +44 207 4676450

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.123
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by di7 on Wed 29 Apr 2015, 12:00 pm

Adding blank spaces in the field phone number would have meant extra work. Just as we know Telnic, additional work was always avoided.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by 4444 on Wed 29 Apr 2015, 12:16 pm

E.123 only recommends the use of spaces, but doesn't require them. But for readability, they are clearly beneficial.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Expert on Wed 29 Apr 2015, 12:53 pm

Blanks as distance separator are important to make long numbers readable and are widely used by the majority.
The E.123 recommends them for an important reason, because phone numbers are read by humans.
I've never seen another company than Telnic not using separators.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Moonlight on Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:34 pm

Expert wrote:The E.123 recommends them for an important reason, because phone numbers are read by humans.

But by leaving the blank out, machines will be able to read phone numbers easier (what could be important).
If you don't like the visualization, please use instead the field description without restrictions.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Expert on Fri 01 May 2015, 7:14 am

Moonlight wrote:If you don't like the visualization, please use instead the field description without restrictions.

Then I need to input a phone number twice.
That makes no sense and looks confusing.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Moonlight on Fri 01 May 2015, 7:52 am

Expert wrote:That makes no sense and looks confusing.

Why don't you display a phone number in the field description easy to read by humans, as example for people who read it on the desktop and then type it on their phone?
In addition the mandatory phone number displayed by Telnic can be used especially on cell phones and by machines, too.
It doesn't need to be confusing!
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Expert on Fri 01 May 2015, 8:02 am

Perhaps it's not a big deal, but nowhere else in the technology world you type in the same information twice.
.tel should be easy to use!

A company like Telnic specialized in telecommunications should consider the E.123.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by x1y2 on Fri 01 May 2015, 8:16 am

The simplest and most sensible solution would be to allow spaces in the phone number field.

Telnic, that shouldn't be a lot of work!
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Moonlight on Fri 01 May 2015, 8:20 am

x1y2 wrote:The simplest and most sensible solution would be to allow spaces in the phone number field.

But many users won't know where they are allowed to insert spaces.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Expert on Fri 01 May 2015, 8:32 am

Moonlight wrote:But many users won't know where they are allowed to insert spaces.

The E.123 makes no specifications for that.
But it's very logical for everyone that the country code, area code, phone number and extension are separated.
Under this official link, you will see that spaces are obligatory:
http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-E.123-200102-I/en

Please download the document 'Recommendation E.123' from the first link there:
https://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_pub.asp?lang=e&id=T-REC-E.123-200102-I!!PDF-E&type=items
Read chapter 2 (Notation for National and International Telephone Numbers)!

Conclusion: Spaces are needed inside of phone numbers!

It would give .tel domains a more professional impression if international guidelines aren't ignored!
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by di7 on Fri 01 May 2015, 9:01 am

The problem is that it can't be repaired at Telnic anymore, because no one works there anymore.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by 4444 on Fri 01 May 2015, 10:58 am

No problem! As long nobody is finding or using .tel domains, it doesn't matter what information appear on them.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Expert on Fri 01 May 2015, 11:05 am

... and as long the information on .tel domains aren't helpful, no danger exists that anyone could be interested in .tel domains!
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by FrankW. on Sat 02 May 2015, 4:21 am

Expert wrote:
Moonlight wrote:But many users won't know where they are allowed to insert spaces.

The E.123 makes no specifications for that.
But it's very logical for everyone that the country code, area code, phone number and extension are separated.

Reading the 'Notation for National and International Telephone Numbers', I found the following regulations:

ITU wrote:

2.9   Grouping the digits of a telephone number is advisable for reasons of memorizing, oral presentation, and printing.


9   Spacing symbols

Spacing symbols are symbols which are used solely to separate parts of a telephone number from each other. They cannot be diallable, procedural or information symbols.

9.1   Grouping  of  digits  in  a  telephone  number    should  be  accomplished  by  means  or  spaces unless  an  agreed  upon  explicit  symbol  (e.g.  hyphen)  is  necessary  for  procedural  purposes.  Only spaces should be used in an international number.

9.2   In  the  international  number,  spacing  shall  occur  between  the  country  code  and  the  trunk code and between the trunk code and the subscriber number.

9.3   The major separation among digits in a telephone number (national or international) should occur between trunk code and subscriber number. This separation should therefore always be wider than any other separation within the number. This requirement is automatically met in the notation recommended, as in the examples.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Expert on Sat 02 May 2015, 4:34 am

FrankW. wrote:9.2   In  the  international  number,  spacing  shall  occur  between  the  country  code  and  the  trunk code and between the trunk code and the subscriber number.

Thank you, Frank!
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by di7 on Sat 02 May 2015, 4:38 am

Why do you invest so much effort for .tel? Telnic doesn't care. And no one else cares!
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Expert on Sat 02 May 2015, 4:42 am

di7 wrote:Telnic doesn't care.

That's well known.
However, some forum members hope that some day a successor will take over the business of Telnic, who can correct the mistakes of Telnic.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by di7 on Sat 02 May 2015, 4:45 am

Expert wrote:However, some forum members hope that some day a successor will take over the business of Telnic, who can correct the mistakes of Telnic.

That's a matter of many, many years. You don't need to think about it today!
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by TelBlogger on Sat 02 May 2015, 9:35 am

Display of numbers is not important on a .tel because no one visits them. Occasionally someone will stumble onto one and seeing the 1960's Cold War Russian design they will immediately leave never to return.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by di7 on Sat 02 May 2015, 10:31 am

TelBlogger wrote:Occasionally someone will stumble onto one and seeing the 1960's Cold War Russian design they will immediately leave never to return.

So sad - and so true! .tel domains are designed to scare customers away.
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Sunrise on Sat 02 May 2015, 11:35 am

di7 wrote:.tel domains are designed to scare customers away.

It would have been easy to give the Telnames design to all customers.
How stupid somebody must be to decide otherwise in the beginning of 2012?
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by di7 on Sat 02 May 2015, 11:45 am

Sunrise wrote:How stupid somebody must be to decide otherwise in the beginning of 2012?

3 years later it's still the same!
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Re: Wrong display of phone numbers on all .tel domains

Post by Spocky on Sat 02 May 2015, 7:53 pm

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