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Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

Post by Sunrise on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 6:40 pm

DirectoryDan wrote:... why all the concern over subdomains in the post-Telnic era?

In addition to the other already mentioned reasons, I see two main factors:

1. All well ranking .tel websites will lose their good search engine results if the websites won't be built from scratch again.

2. Although free choice of web hosting services will be allowed in the future, .tel should stand out by providing an even better alternative for those webmasters who want to publish their data in a machine readable and in a recognizable format that mark off .tel domains from all other domains.

The second point is very important, because by providing the Telnames template with sub domains, .tel could really stand out and attract many new customers for this format.
I don't see this chance without sub domains, because webmasters with the need of publishing a lot of content have to use a common web hosting solution for their .tel in the future.
And if a lot of .tel owners don't choose the Telhosting template, then this .tel specification will become a very small niche without any meaning.
.tel can become only successful if it shows something better than all the other domain endings. But I'm afraid that all .tel domains will look like any other domain in the future.
In this situation, .tel has no distinctive feature and will lose all possible attention.

In the past, .tel couldn't become successful because of its state of underdevelopment.
A Telnames template with sub domains would be the first attractive product delivered by Telnic so far.

The option to develop .tel domains without any restrictions is a big plus, but at the same time it will destroy the original idea of .tel.
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Post by Sunrise on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 6:56 pm

I like these two suggestions that just have been posted:
Hotty wrote:If Telnic would be innovative, it would offer a button for your freely hosted websites which would be used to display the contact data from the DNS on demand (meaning: the webmaster can do with his website what he wants, but can use the DNS at the same time in addition or in parallel).
bolton wrote:If Telnic doesn't want to give us 3,000 subdomains anymore, at least they could give us 5 subdomains!

I found many comments in this forum where users have requested this heavily!
Telnic should think about it!
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Post by 4444 on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 7:18 pm

@Sunrise

Nice explanation.

The question is:
If I want to buy a domain, why should I choose a .tel if I can do the same things with any other TLD?
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Post by ixida on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 7:22 pm

Wow! I can't believe how complicated .tel business is!
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Post by mikeseaton on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 7:26 pm

bolton wrote:What I'm missing the most on http://telpage.tel are the following features:

- The possibility to insert long text
- Subdomains
- A contact form
- iFrames
- Link descriptions for long URL
- A directory to search all .tel comfortably

Try this .TEL SEARCH ENGINE for the above !

It also searches the Web, Video, Facebook, Google+, Pinterest and Twitter without the need for rekeying on the same query for these sites.

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Post by mikeseaton on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 7:45 pm

4444 wrote:@Sunrise

Nice explanation.

The question is:
If I want to buy a domain, why should I choose a .tel if I can do the same things with any other TLD?

Because the .TEL offering from March 2017 has a USP (Unique Selling Point) that NO other gTLD has !

Most 1-5 man small businesses don't care two hoots about the sort of technical stuff we discuss on this forum.

All they want is a "web site" giving them the ability to show the core element of the service they offer, maybe with a few images and perhaps a video and PDF price list, some easy to connect contact mechanisms (eg. "click to call"), the ability to provide links to any social media profiles they create, and it to work seamlessly on any type of internet-connected device.

A Telnames-style template offers them all this for the unbelievable price of less than a cup of Starbucks coffee per month !

BUT if their business grows substantially - the vast majority won't - then it would be incredibly useful to be able to continue to use the original domainname.tel (with all the links that have been already built up, which affect search engine ranking) and create a bespoke web site.

.TEL is the only gTLD (from March 2017) that gives you the excellent (ie. it does what it sets out to do effectively and at low cost) Telnames template as standard but still allows you to expand to a fully blown custom-built web site should your business needs change dramatically.

IMO this was the ONLY card Telnic had left to play (as many will know I have been one of their most vocal critics) - what they MUST DO from March 2017 is to ensure that ALL Registrars OFFER BOTH OPTIONS and that they make it clear to new registrants that both these options actually exist !

A lot of people have now started registering .Tels since Telnic's Announcement - click http://d1.telpages.com/latest.action to see these coming through (it takes 2 or 3 days from registration) - the 14 .Tel Domains I registered recently are now displaying amongst these.

http://MikeSeaton.tel


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Post by MWX on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 8:03 pm

Mike, congratulations for:

  • coachtours.tel
  • domainsales.tel
  • forexbrokers.tel
  • fxbrokers.tel
  • golfgear.tel
  • hotrods.tel
  • jetskis.tel
  • mortgagebrokers.tel
  • rallycars.tel
  • surfboards.tel

Mark Kolb is still buying, too:

  • autoloans.tel
  • carloans.tel
  • central.tel
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Post by mikeseaton on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 8:07 pm

MWX wrote:Mike, congratulations for:

  • coachtours.tel

  • domainsales.tel

  • forexbrokers.tel

  • fxbrokers.tel

  • golfgear.tel

  • hotrods.tel

  • jetskis.tel

  • mortgagebrokers.tel

  • rallycars.tel

  • surfboards.tel

Mark Kolb is still buying, too:

  • autoloans.tel
  • carloans.tel
  • central.tel


@MWX - 10 out of 14 spotted - not bad !

http://MikeSeaton.tel


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Post by FrankW. on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 8:10 pm

mikeseaton wrote:IMO this was the ONLY card Telnic had left to play (as many will know I have been one of their most vocal critics) - what they MUST DO from March 2017 is to ensure that ALL Registrars OFFER BOTH OPTIONS and that they make it clear to new registrants that both these options actually exist !

From previous observations of Telnic's behavior over the last years, we can't expect that Telnic will make any further announcement or any advertising.

Telnic will just sit and wait as usual.
Telnic has always expected that others do the work for them!
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Post by mikeseaton on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 8:32 pm

FrankW. wrote:
From previous observations of Telnic's behavior over the last years, we can't expect that Telnic will make any further announcement or any advertising.

Telnic will just sit and wait as usual.
Telnic has always expected that others do the work for them!

Frank - you may be right - the difference now is that we have a much greater incentive (since the offering from March 2017 is far more commercially viable) to assist Telnic in the promotion of the New .TEL offering !

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Post by Sunrise on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 6:47 am

mikeseaton wrote:Most 1-5 man small businesses don't care two hoots about the sort of technical stuff we discuss on this forum.

All they want is a "web site" giving them the ability to show the core element of the service they offer, maybe with a few images and perhaps a video and PDF price list, some easy to connect contact mechanisms (eg. "click to call"), the ability to provide links to any social media profiles they create, and it to work seamlessly on any type of internet-connected device.

I'm very sceptical about this.

I'm thinking about Telnic's potential customers:

  • Domain investors: Irrelevant, because most of them let their domains empty anyway
  • Professional webmasters: They have a need for publishing a lot of content and therefore can't use the Telnames template
  • Beginners, individuals and small businesses: How should they find the offer from Telnic among thousands of TLDs, especially the new TLDs that are flooding the market right now?

Consequently, very few people will find and use the Telnames template.
But how does .tel want to attract attention if not with the Telnames template?

If the Telnames template doesn't offer the possibility to include a large amount of content, almost nobody will use it.
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Post by Hotty on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 7:22 am

Sunrise wrote:
  • Beginners, individuals and small businesses: How should they find the offer from Telnic among thousands of TLDs, especially the new TLDs that are flooding the market right now?
That's a crucial question:

Let's say I own a small business, I have no experience with web hosting and I want to create a presence on the internet for the very first time without a lot of effort.

What am I going to do?

  1. First, I will open Google in my web browser.
  2. Second, I will search for website offerings.
  3. Third, I will find out that I need to buy a domain at a registrar.
  4. Fourth, I will visit some registrars and compare services and prices.
  5. Fifth, I will search for a domain name suitable for my business.
  6. Sixth, I will find a big number of domain endings that I can use for registering my preferred name.
  7. Seventh, I will collect the best options.
  8. Eighth, I will decide to use either .com (because of its prominent meaning), the ccTLD of my country or one of the new nTLDs (because of the suitable term behind the dot that reflects my business the best).

Question:

At which point .tel comes into play? During these eight steps, the likelihood that I will take notice of .tel is close to zero.
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Post by let on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 8:25 am

An extensive discussion has evolved after the Telnic announcement this week.

But what's the deal?
8 years after launch, .tel will start providing websites for their domains.

That must be a joke. Other TLD have been able to realize websites much faster, in fact always right on the launch date.

So what is the big story here? Celebrating the biggest failure in domain history?
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Post by let on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 8:45 am

Oh, I forgot to mention:
In addition, .tel will offer an one-page template to their customers.

But is that worth to talk about?
One more option in addition to the hundreds of options from web hosters!
Is this one template from Telnic / Telnames so much better than the competition?
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Post by 4444 on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 8:52 am

Telnic is doing this for one reason only:
Nobody wants to buy .tel domains and Telnic sees no other option to increase the disastrous registration numbers.

What can Telnic lose by this last desperate step?
How can the situation get worse than it is already?

Lifting the DNS restrictions is a clear revelation by Telnic that their DNS concept has failed!
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Post by Toptel on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 9:00 am

Upcoming March, we will see if this new plan is going to work or not:
If .tel doesn't take off after this big change, then .tel is lost without any doubt.
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Post by Hotty on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 9:04 am

Why should .tel take off next March?

Do you believe anyone will notice the announced changes (beside the few existing customers)?
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Post by Tely on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 9:43 am

Telnic has one, very last chance:
  • Give the Telnames template to individuals for free (e.g. with a limit of one domain per person) !!!
  • Charge individuals for all domains more than one and for unrestricted web hosting
  • Charge businesses for all .tel registrations (with Telhosting or unrestricted web hosting)
This suggestion was repeated many times.
But Telnic is too inflexible to make this happen.

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Post by maxi on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 12:18 pm

Sometimes it is interesting to see how some words are used. As far as we know, Telnic now  consists of only one person - Mr. Kash. When we say "Telnic's men ...", perhaps we need to use a singular form: "Telnic's man". ; )
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Post by 4444 on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 1:12 pm

maxi wrote:As far as we know, Telnic now  consists of only one person - Mr. Kash.

The technical support is delivered by a second person: http://huw.tel

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Post by whatthetel on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 5:55 pm

maxi wrote:
let wrote:The new development has many disadvantages:

  1. Viruses and malware will appear on .tel domains as on all other websites
  2. Building directories won't be able anymore
  3. All the past work for directories will be lost
  4. Disabling of data privacy for contact data
  5. No developer support due to cancellation of the API
  6. No monetization due to cancellation of Google AdSense
  7. Limitation in content by using the new Telhosting template
  8. Loss of search rankings for directories
  9. Loss of profit for established .tel domains
  10. Loss of existing .tel customers that are used to the old Telhosting platform

Perhaps:
11. Google Analytics also will be unavailable.

Google Analytics should at least be transferred over, as people will have gaps in their metrics reports if they don't get round to sorting it quickly.
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Post by mikeseaton on Fri 16 Dec 2016, 6:22 pm

As I see it everyone who uses this forum now has 2 clear choices given that ICANN has decided to allow Telnic to renew the .TEL Registry for a further 10 years.

1. Accept the changes announced and start planning for how you will use your .TEL domains from March 2017.

2. Let your .TELs drop on next renewal, quit the TelTalk forum, and get on with the rest of your life.

I've been one of the biggest critics of Telnic as many will know, I got permanently banned from their forum (now no longer in existence) for speaking the truth, and blocked from following their social media sites.

BUT there simply is no point in complaining about the .TEL situation any more - March 2017 is going to happen whether you like it or not - it really is now time to go ahead with the new .TEL setup or quit !

AFAIK Mark Kolb is planning to go for Option 1 above - as I am - TIME WILL .TEL if we are right !

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Post by mic on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 12:21 am

2 clear choices
which to choose...

http://which.tel
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Post by TelBlogger on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 3:49 am

The .tel concept with Telhosting was a waste of time as will be the nonsense one page new Telhosting offering.

But the ability to choose proper hosting and build proper websites with .tel is fantastic.
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Post by as on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 1:17 pm

as wrote:Some people start buying .tel domains: 220 new .tel yesterday!

Back to normal: 28 new .tel yesterday!

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