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Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

Post by maxi on Sat 17 Dec 2016, 2:09 pm

as wrote:
as wrote:Some people start buying .tel domains: 220 new .tel yesterday!

Back to normal: 28 new .tel yesterday!
I think, it may be, that some people still wait to a coming of a moment "X", when TEL will suddenly "shoot up", and big $$$ begin to flow to their pockets.

If somebody of them accidenly register one TEL, another one who is also monitoring the situation, sees this and fearing to be too late and to lose his chances, register his TEL or TELs.

When the first one sees, that it is not only him who register but also somebody else, then he decides that that long expected moment "X" has just now came, and then he also register his few TELs.

Then the second guy sees this he also decides that moment at least "X" came and again register new TELs.

In this way a kind of "chain reaction" happens - and this chain reaction is created not by others but by them who waits for moment "X". It is a kind of "False start".
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Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

Post by di7 on Thu 22 Dec 2016, 8:13 pm

One thing makes me mad:

Telnic doesn't invest the slightest amount of work to make these changes suitable for customers.

Telnic will only exchange the Telnic platform with the Telnames platform, but not the smallest improvement of the Telnames template is projected.

That is how we know Telnic: doing almost nothing and hoping for the best.
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Post by Tel on Tue 03 Jan 2017, 8:24 pm

I'm surprised.

The only thing Telnic will do is providing the 5 year old Telnames template and removing the restriction to update the name servers for .tel domains.

That is very little work, even for Telnic!
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Post by MWX on Wed 04 Jan 2017, 11:10 am

And all Telhosting domains will look completely the same in March.

Telnic is killing all individuality.

Is that a smart move?
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Post by DirectoryDan on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 1:40 am

Two questions for Telnic:

1. Will we be able to forward .tel website traffic to another non-tel domain name via a 301 or 302 transfer after March 13th?
2. What are you doing to improve your abysmal customer support going forward?  Is this all just lipstick on the pig?
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Post by x1y2 on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 6:02 am

DirectoryDan wrote:1. Will we be able to forward .tel website traffic to another non-tel domain name via a 301 or 302 transfer after March 13th?

You have to disable Telhosting to redirect your .tel to another domain extension by exchanging Telnic's name servers by the name servers of your future provider.
After this step, you can set up a 301 or 302 transfer using the new name servers, e.g. from your registrar.

Conclusion:
You will be able to do with a .tel all the things you can do with other domains, too.
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Post by x1y2 on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 6:12 am

DirectoryDan wrote:2. What are you doing to improve your abysmal customer support going forward?  Is this all just lipstick on the pig?

By allowing free web hosting, Telnic will be able to reduce the customer support even further, because most customers won't have questions regarding Telhosting anymore.
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Post by Toptel on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 6:58 am

x1y2 wrote:By allowing free web hosting, Telnic will be able to reduce the customer support even further, because most customers won't have questions regarding Telhosting anymore.

True! Most customers will have only one question: how to update the name servers to host their own website.
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Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

Post by as on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 7:05 am

Telnic has sent a reminder with the same content from 12th December 2016 to all registrants today:

http://www.teltalk.org/t4467-important-news-for-all-tel-owners-and-community-members

No new information is provided.

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Post by maxi on Mon 09 Jan 2017, 9:00 pm

This time, at least we cannot say that Telnic was not honest. On contrary, they had said this news to us in advance, even notwithstanding the fact that due to announced cancelling of some Telnic's telhosting services, many of us will decide to drop part (or many) of our TELs and Telnic's finances will have losses.

If they have announced this news later, after mass renewals, which usually happen annualy before March 23, then in this way they would prevented users from dropping their TELs. But they decided to be honest. And this is a very good thing.
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Post by MWX on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 5:08 am

@maxi

That's rigtht.

Of course, Telnic hopes to make .tel more attractive by allowing web hosting.
Telnic is choosing the date of this announcement well-considered. Telnic hopes to get more renewals this March, because customers want to see if a positive effect of registration numbers will occur after the announced changes.

Nobody can know for sure if .tel will attract or lose customers with this measure.
Certainly, with this announcement Telnic will keep more customers than without it.
But if Telnic will be able to gain new customers is another question.
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Post by x1y2 on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 5:18 am

maxi wrote:... due to announced cancelling of some Telnic's telhosting services, many of us will decide to drop part (or many) of our TELs and Telnic's finances will have losses.

Yes, some directory owners will drop their .tel, because they will lose the whole infrastructure of their website.
Unfortunately (or fortunately) not many people have developed directories, hence it won't affect so many domain owners.
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Post by MWX on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 5:23 am

x1y2 wrote:Unfortunately (or fortunately) not many people have developed directories, hence it won't affect so many domain owners.

This seems to be true, because even Telnic confirms it in their announcement:

The decision to exclude these features was based on customer feedback and usage statistics.

  • Multiple pages or sub-domains

Is it not unbelievable that Telnic did not manage to find customers for the original concept in 8 years?

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Post by maxi on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 5:36 am

I have portretas_tel. It is not a directory because it uses only few pages. But now I will be not able to save it and to use it as it is now.

And I do not need to have it in Telnames format because I think that Telnames format is useless.

Also I do not want to have it at a normal (regular) hosting because I think that all TELs on regular hosting Google will consider to be sites in a "sh*t extension" and will value them very low.

So why I need to spend money on a useless thing and to renew this my TEL if after March I will not be able to get any use from it? Or I need to spend my money just to make a pleasure for Mr. Kash?
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Post by TelBlogger on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 5:56 am

Why the extension doesn't matter

From Google itself John Meuller at webmaster central

http://searchengineland.com/google-explains-how-they-handle-the-new-top-level-domains-tlds-225671
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Post by MWX on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 6:11 am

@TelBlogger

The extension shouldn't matter for the search ranking on Google, but it matters for the reputation of your website, especially for your visitiors.

People are prefering to visit famous domain extensions with a good reputation.

And webmasters are prefering to present their content on a quality domain name. The domain extension is part of that domain name.

And one point more: Users get confused when they see an unpopular domain extension. Your website will lose traffic if you are using an unknown domain extension, because your visitors won't remember the right spelling of your website.
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Post by TelBlogger on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 6:33 am

MWX wrote:@TelBlogger

The extension shouldn't matter for the search ranking on Google, but it matters for the reputation of your website, especially for your visitiors.

People are prefering to visit famous domain extensions with a good reputation.

And webmasters are prefering to present their content on a quality domain name. The domain extension is part of that domain name.

And one point more: Users get confused when they see an unpopular domain extension. Your website will lose traffic if you are using an unknown domain extension, because your visitors won't remember the right spelling of your website.

Disagree @MWX. People are more likely not to remember a three/four word .com website than a one word .tel website. You can't buy one word .coms any more without a lot of money. And with the same content the one word .tel will rank higher (post liberalization). Because the domain is short the .tel part will stand out.

eg

sydney.tel

vs

yoursydneydirectoryguide.com

Same content the one word .tel will rank higher all else being equal. Also because the .tel is such as short domain the viewer will probably see the .tel part as well. Ultimately content will win over the extension name. If they explore the .tel and find what they are looking for etc. they will come back.

Reputation is in the long term always related to the quality of content and non-domain extension issues; value, usefulness etc. by word of mouth etc.

I refer of course to the liberalized .tels.

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Post by maxi on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 7:10 am

Cоntеnts, оf cоursе, is vеrу impоrtаnt fаctоr, but it is nоt thе оnlу оnе. I hеаrd thаt Gооglе usе as much as аbоut 400 pаrаmеtеrs whеn dеciding аbоut sitе’s vаluе. Hоw mаnу pаrаmеtеrs Gооglе hаvе аnd whаt thеу аrе is Gооglе’s tоp sеcrеt. And it is lоgicаl bеcаusе Gооglе dо nоt wаnt pеоplе mаnipulаtе thеir knоwlеdgе sееking tо gеt bеttеr pоsitiоns in Gооglе sеаrch.

As for John Meuller. I think thаt it is оbviоus thаt if аnу mаn will rеvеаl publiclу tоp sеcrеt infоrmаtiоn оf his cоmpаnу, hе will bе punishеs immеdiаtеlу. If he said but was not punished that means that he was not revealing a secret but did something else. May be simply he is not clever and is not at his place (even big companies are not safe from this); or may be he is very clever and had many reasons to say what he said. Also sometimes people lie, sometimes they are forced to lie, sometimes they not say truth, or say not all the truth, sometimes they manipulate truth.

Sо wе shоuld nоt bеliеvе blindlу whаt sоmе Gооglе’s mеn sаy – bеcаusе wе dо nоt nоt knоw whаt thе intеntiоn wаs оf “rеvеаling”’ publiclу it's tоp sеcrеts.

Mау bе thеу just wаntеd tо mаkе mоrе mоnеу? Gооglе, bеsidеs оf оthеr things, is sеlling dоmаins оf nеw еxtеnsiоns. Thеу will bе bаd sеllеrs if thеу wоuld sау pеоplе “wе sеll trаsh-еxtеnsiоns-dоmаins tо уоur – thеу аrе bаd sо dо nоt buу thеm, but buу COMs”.

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Below is оnе оf mаnу similаr аrticlеs аbоut whаt Gооglе’s pаrаmеtеrs cоuld bе. Thе аuthоr cоuntеd аbоut 200. Other reseaches cоunt mоrе оr lеss.

In thе аrticlе I did nоt found аbоut еxtеnsiоns, but fоr mе it sееms lоgicаl thаt Gооglе lооks аt thеm.

First, bеcаusе if Gооglе lооks еvеn fоr hоw mаnу уеаrs in аdvаncе thе dоmаins аrе rеgistеrеd, thеn whу thеу will nоt cоunt thе prеstigе оf еxtеnsiоn?

And sеcоnd (аnd thе mаin) bеcаusе that sее mу оwn еуеs whеn I еntеr аnу English kеуwоrds cоmbinаtiоn in Gооglе sеаrch аnd mоst оf  sitеs shоwn at their first pages аrе COMs - with very rare inclusions of ORG, and sometimes of sites of few prestigeous extensions like GOV and EDU. And no results with sites of any of trash extensions.


http://backlinko.com/google-ranking-factors
Domain Factors  from 1.  to 10.

And what for sure will lose TEL on regular hosting:

65. Site Architecture: A well put-together site architecture (especially a silo structure) helps Google thematically organize your content.

75. Mobile Optimized: Google’s official stance on mobile is to create a responsive site. It’s likely that responsive sites get an edge in searches from a mobile device. In fact, they now add “Mobile friendly” tags to sites that display well on mobile devices. Google also started penalizing sites in Mobile search that aren’t mobile friendly.
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Post by MWX on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 9:39 am

@TelBlogger

I agree with your statement a little bit, but you will still lose website visitors who will accidentally type sydney.com instead of sydney.tel, because they don't know the ending .tel.

And the site sydney.tel won't have the same reputation as sydney.com in the eyes of the internet users.
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Post by MWX on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 9:50 am

maxi wrote:And what for sure will lose TEL on regular hosting:

65. Site Architecture: A well put-together site architecture (especially a silo structure) helps Google thematically organize your content.

75. Mobile Optimized: Google’s official stance on mobile is to create a responsive site. It’s likely that responsive sites get an edge in searches from a mobile device. In fact, they now add “Mobile friendly” tags to sites that display well on mobile devices. Google also started penalizing sites in Mobile search that aren’t mobile friendly.

That's important!

Telnic is loosing a lot of poential by giving up the .tel concept upcoming March!
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Post by 4444 on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 9:56 am

maxi wrote:Mау bе thеу just wаntеd tо mаkе mоrе mоnеу? Gооglе, bеsidеs оf оthеr things, is sеlling dоmаins оf nеw еxtеnsiоns. Thеу will bе bаd sеllеrs if thеу wоuld sау pеоplе “wе sеll trаsh-еxtеnsiоns-dоmаins tо уоur – thеу аrе bаd sо dо nоt buу thеm, but buу COMs”.

Google is defining how people are using the internet with its monopole in search.

And with this, Google has the power to define the success of new TLDs, too.

Since Google is one of the most heavily invested companies in new TLDs, they will make sure that the new TLDs don't fail.

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Post by maxi on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 11:15 am

4444 wrote:And with this, Google has the power to define the success of new TLDs, too.
Yes, of course, they can. If they will want. But why they should want to do this? I see no such reasons.

4444 wrote:Since Google is one of the most heavily invested companies in new TLDs, they will make sure that the new TLDs don't fail.
In this case they will need to choose to be a reliable seach engine which gives us reliable information or to become a seller of domains.

If we allow that they will want to sell domains of their extensions, then they will make preferences only for extensions which they possess, and not for all existingr new gTDLs. So in any case TEL will be not in their interest.
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Post by 4444 on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 11:49 am

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4444 wrote:And with this, Google has the power to define the success of new TLDs, too.
Yes, of course, they can. If they will want. But why they should want to do this? I see no such reasons.

$25 million are a damn good reason:
http://www.businessinsider.com/google-just-paid-25-million-to-buy-the-entire-app-web-domain-2015-2

This is only one nTLD from Google. Google has applied for 100 nTLDs more: https://icannwiki.com/Google

maxi wrote:In this case they will need to choose to be a reliable seach engine which gives us reliable information or to become a seller of domains.

Currently, Google is the only relevant search engine in the world. And Google sells domains already: https://domains.google

maxi wrote:If we allow that they will want to sell domains of their extensions, then they will make preferences only for extensions which they possess, and not for all existingr new gTDLs. So in any case TEL will be not in their interest.

Exactly!
.tel doesn't have the slightest chance against this competition, unless Google buys Telnic.
But I guess that Google isn't interested in making gifts to the laziest CEO in the world.
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Post by mikeseaton on Tue 10 Jan 2017, 6:19 pm

Here's a link to the Google Domains Price List showing all the TLDs they sell - https://support.google.com/domains/answer/6010092

You will notice .TEL is missing from this list - I wonder if this will change in March 2017, given that the previous overhead of a Registrar having to set up and maintain TelHosting for the Telnic-style subdomain .TELs will be gone. ?

TelHosting will of course be handled from March 2017 by the Registry Telnic for those who go for the Telnames single-page new option (as opposed to the "normal" DNS new option).

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Post by maxi on Wed 11 Jan 2017, 7:34 am

4444 wrote:
maxi wrote:In this case they will need to choose to be a reliable seach engine which gives us reliable information or to become a seller of domains.

Currently, Google is the only relevant search engine in the world. And Google sells domains already: https://domains.google
I know that Google sells domains. I meant here selling domains from the extension which belongs to them. Because if they will give preferences to sites on such domains then they will lost part of their reliability.

I do not know the exact Eglish expression for such situation when somebody abused his official position to get bonuses for himself. But in my eyes for sure such person becomes not reliable.

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