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Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

Post by FrankW. on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 7:31 am

4444 wrote:If you will use the new Telhosting platform, you can't use sub domains.
But you don't have to use the Telhosting platform in the future anymore.
You can publish a "normal" website with your .tel domain. Then you can use as many sub domains as you want.

A third option is to pay for a Telhosting service which incorporates sub domains with a 3rd party hosting provider.
But I'm afraid that those 3rd party hosting providers currently don't exist for .tel.

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Post by maxi on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 7:38 am

FrankW. wrote:But I'm afraid that those 3rd party hosting providers currently don't exist for .tel.
If it costs only $4000, then Mark could become a registrar and do something for Tel-directories owners - now he will not have competiton in that field.
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Post by Sunrise on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 7:42 am

maxi wrote:
FrankW. wrote:But I'm afraid that those 3rd party hosting provider currently doesn't exist for .tel.
If it costs only $4000, then Mark could become a registrar and do something for Tel-directories owners - now he will not have competiton in that field.

That is like riding a dead horse!
But Mark doesn't have to spend $ 4000 if he does it as a reseller instead. He only has to collaborate with a registrar or with Telnic.
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Post by FrankW. on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 7:52 am

Sunrise wrote:He only has to collaborate with a registrar or with Telnic.

The new Telhosting platform won't provide SOAP API access for registrars and domain owners.
The only way to provide sub domains for a .tel template is developing an independent Telhosting platform.
Since everyone can use common websites for .tel in the future instead, I'm afraid that no one will invest this amount of work for .tel.
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Post by as on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 8:02 am

FrankW. wrote:I'm afraid that no one will invest this amount of work for .tel.

Someone just did it four months ago: http://www.teltalk.org/t4452-china-unicom-with-new-tel-website-desgin
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Post by MWX on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 8:10 am

I conclude:

.tel will become a completely normal TLD with the cost-free option to use a template for contact data with one single page (formerly known at Telnames).
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Post by x1y2 on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 8:35 am

MWX wrote:I conclude:

.tel will become a completely normal TLD with the cost-free option to use a template for contact data with one single page (formerly known at Telnames).

Yes, and with this .tel stands in direct competition with all other TLDs - and meanwhile we have more than thousand new gTLDs.
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Post by Sunrise on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 9:00 am

After today's announcement, I see no reason why this trend should turn around:
http://registrarstats.com/TLDHistoryChart.aspx?TLDName=TEL
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Post by let on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 9:24 am

The new development has many disadvantages:

  1. Viruses and malware will appear on .tel domains as on all other websites
  2. Building directories won't be able anymore
  3. All the past work for directories will be lost
  4. Disabling of data privacy for contact data
  5. No developer support due to cancellation of the API
  6. No monetization due to cancellation of Google AdSense
  7. Limitation in content by using the new Telhosting template
  8. Loss of search rankings for directories
  9. Loss of profit for established .tel domains
  10. Loss of existing .tel customers that are used to the old Telhosting platform

Will all of this be compensated by the advantage of having the possibility to build a website like any other?
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Post by Telnamer on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 9:41 am

In March 2017, we will also have some benefits:

1. All .tel domains will look nice by default.
2. .tel will provide the easiest way to create a contact page (easier than for all other domains).
3. Some nice features will be available for all Telnic customers (PayPal shop, coupons, picture gallery).
4. Every .tel owner will have the most possible flexibility to create a great website.
5. .tel remains the only TLD with an unique technical concept (storing contact data in the DNS).

That's not bad.
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Post by FrankW. on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 10:11 am

Telnamer wrote:1. All .tel domains will look nice by default.

For all .tel registrants who won't be active and won't fill their .tel with data, their .tel domain will be completely empty.
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Post by ProTel on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 10:25 am

It's an impertinence to simply delete directory services and not even offer a data migration!

The stupidest thing at all, however, is to ban sub domains completely.
Have the Telnic people completely lost their brains?
Are these the effects of the Brexit? British people don't like making business with people outside their country, right? So the best way is to throw out their customers!

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Post by maxi on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 10:53 am

ProTel wrote:The stupidest thing at all, however, is to ban sub domains.
In my personal view, the game goes between investors for the price of control piece of Telnic shares.

So one known to all of us person from Telnic uses any means to ruin TEL with the intention to buy it for couple of dollars later.

It seems for me that it is the most logical explanation of all these nonsences that constantly happen with TEL.

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Post by maxi on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 11:14 am

ProTel wrote:British people don't like making business ...
Kash (the person who rules Telnic) is from Lebanon.


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Post by ixida on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 11:15 am

I'm very confident that Telnic will offer sub domains again - in 5 or 10 years!

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Post by whatthetel on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 11:20 am

let wrote:The new development has many disadvantages:

  1. Viruses and malware will appear on .tel domains as on all other websites
  2. Building directories won't be able anymore
  3. All the past work for directories will be lost
  4. Disabling of data privacy for contact data
  5. No developer support due to cancellation of the API
  6. No monetization due to cancellation of Google AdSense
  7. Limitation in content by using the new Telhosting template
  8. Loss of search rankings for directories
  9. Loss of profit for established .tel domains
  10. Loss of existing .tel customers that are used to the old Telhosting platform

Will all of this be compensated by the advantage of having the possibility to build a website like any other?

Tel was easy, now it's more complex if you want to do anything, especially if it simulates the old system.

But we have all the software pre-developed to make a better community driven telhosting system? it just needs modding and a server or two setting up. ??

1. When will the restrictions be lifted from .tel and what will be my options then be for using my domain?

All restrictions will be lifted from .tel on 13th March 2017. From this date, and subject to your registrar or reseller support, you will be able to use your .tel domain as a normal website, continue to take advantage of our free, new Telhosting platform or opt for a paid for Telhosting service which incorporates sub domains with a 3rd party hosting provider.

Which means we can change the name servers?


Thats the only part that matters, so we can point the tel visits where ever we want and can render what ever content we wish.

Tel is currently pointed to:

a0.cth.dns.nic.tel
d0.cth.dns.nic.tel
n0.cth.dns.nic.tel
s0.cth.dns.nic.tel
t0.cth.dns.nic.tel

They manage and store copies of your records "your sub domains with the directory content information" that you added through telhosting.something.com

And https://d0.webproxy.nic.tel/ etc is where the above servers are told to send people to view your content per .tel domain or subdomain look up request. ??

A nameserver is an integral part of pointing your domain to a hosting provider. The most important thing to remember about a nameserver is that it is the engine that directs your DNS records.


So setup a name server telcp.tel or ns.telcp.com etc,
Setup web hosting.
Set the tel domain to the telcp name server.
Mod telcp or another telhosting control panel to make it inject DNS records into the name servers, for requests/records that match the tel domains pointed towards it of the customer in question.
Either render the tel via the web hosting, or allow a customer to point the tel to their own "open source" proxy web hosting.


And thats all tel is right? a control panel and a few servers and records.


I'm happy to point tel domains to telcp or the other one mark has and pay a little more into a community pot if its worked on, and we can pay for themes and other fun stuff.


You can say loss of profit but the business model just changed to one of providing advanced hosting services without having to be a registrar paying telnic?, it don't have to feature dns storage anymore but could do or be a simulated version.


Or does the "you will be able to use your .tel domain as a normal website" mean we cant change the name servers but can set one record, that renders the tel on hosting provided by the registrar. ?


And the 3rd party means we can pick from a list of services but not change the name server to something we want. ?
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Post by ixida on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 11:33 am

FYI, the service at telcp.com is closed already as most previous services.

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Post by maxi on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 11:58 am

ixida wrote:I'm very confident that Telnic will offer sub domains again - in 5 or 10 years!
It depends from is Kash a smoker or not. If he do not smoke, then his life expectancy will be about 77.6 years. If he smokes - then 71.3 years: http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/retirement/life-age-expectancy-calculator.aspx.

So, if he will live till 71.6 then he will be replaced by another person at his 71.6 - after 15 years: 71.6 - 56 (current age ) = 15

If he will live till 77, then we need to wait 21 years: 77.6 - 56 = 21.
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Post by ixida on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 12:43 pm

@maxi

He he! You are absolutely right.
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Post by Tim Spears on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 3:16 pm

Two good news:

  • Telnames template for Telnic domains
  • Creation of individual websites possibile

Two bad news:

  • Deletion of all existing sub domains
  • No .tel directories possible anymore

Why Telnic always know how to make life difficult for their customers?
Is it so difficult to add sub domains to the Telnames templates? Please let professionals maintain the operation of .tel!
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Post by Sunrise on Mon 12 Dec 2016, 3:34 pm

I have addressed the most important topic from this discussion here:
http://www.teltalk.org/t4468-important-petition-for-continuation-of-sub-domains-also-after-march-2017
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Post by TelBlogger on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 2:51 am

I suspect the changes are about saving money.
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IMPORTANT NEWS FOR YOU, TELNIC

Post by DirectoryDan on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 3:37 am

Hey Telnic, this is where I say take your poor excuse for a TLD and get lost.  I spent lots of time and money on your brain child and it turned out to be a worthless pile of "horse droppings".  Your business plan was a failure and you did nothing about it.  You left us hanging with no support except that which a few smart and generous customers contributed for us all to use.  And now you say "Good News, .TEL is going to a regular hosting format and your current sites will stop working unless you reconstruct them."  Well, ..... you!  I'll "reconstruct" my site on .DIRECTORY or ANY other gTLD before I'll waste more time on .TEL !!


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Post by Tely on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 3:55 am

TelBlogger wrote:I suspect the changes are about saving money.

Indeed, Telnic has always tried not to spend any money for development.

Hence, this time Telnic only replaces the Telnic platform with the Telnames template.

And therefore sub domains get killed! This is in the interest of no one.
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Post by ixida on Tue 13 Dec 2016, 4:22 am

Where are Mark Kolb and Mike Seaton?

Could you please explain to Telnic what kind of nonsense will happen in March 2017?

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