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Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

Post by TelBlogger on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 11:57 am

The keywords I have are not available in any other but clown extensions such as .lol, .global, and .apartments.

.tel is actually a nice extension for a directory centred around contact data  (notwithstanding the imbecilic monkeys that run Telnic) because it's short for telecommunications.

A directory for a city for example with tens of thousands of individual pages for the paid listings and lists for unpaid listings could be a financial goer on .tel with 3rd party hosting. Adapted to phone, tablet and desktop. Probably a platform for it and population software too already.
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Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 1:50 pm

For those who can't bear the thought of losing their .TEL Subdomains (though I wouldn't try and sell a .TEL after March 2017 containing subdomains since the buyer wouldn't recognise the format) Telnic have covered this in their post at http://www.teltalk.org/t4467-important-news-for-all-tel-owners-and-community-members#15945

"8. What if I wish to continue to host my .tel domain on a platform that supports sub domains?

The current Telhosting platform will be shutdown on 13th March 2017. If you would like to continue to host your .tel domain on a similar Telhosting platform that supports sub domains please contact cservice@telnic.org and we will help you to review hosting options
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Hope this helps !

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Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 2:06 pm

Interesting to keep an eye out for the .TEL domains people are now registering - they usually appear after two or three days on http://d1.telpages.com/latest.action

The 14 Premium Keyword .TEL domains I registered yesterday (including some I had owned previously but let drop until the .TEL situation became clearer) are not yet showing but should be in the next day or two.

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Post by as on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 3:13 pm

mikeseaton wrote:If you would like to continue to host your .tel domain on a similar Telhosting platform that supports sub domains please contact cservice@telnic.org and we will help you to review hosting options."

It's very suspicious that Telnic doesn't make this information public.

What could be the reason that Telnic makes it a secret?
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Post by Sunrise on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 3:23 pm

as wrote:What could be the reason that Telnic makes it a secret?

I could imagine the following reasons:

1. Telnic has no alternative hosting options and hopes that no one will contact them.
2. Telnic wants to see the feedback first to decide then if they provide a solution.
3. Telnic wants to negotiate an expensive service fee for this service.
4. Telnic wants to avoid an open discussion, because the alternative option is really bad.
5. Telnic doesn't want to admit in public that they have no clue what to do.
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Post by MWX on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 7:55 pm

Sunrise wrote:I could imagine the following reasons:

6. Telnic just don't care about the 5 people who have built a .tel directory.
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Post by Poseidon on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 8:35 pm

I'm trying to summarize the upcoming changes:
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Telnamer wrote:In March 2017, we will also have some benefits:

1. All .tel domains will look nice by default.
2. .tel will provide the easiest way to create a contact page (easier than for all other domains).
3. Some nice features will be available for all Telnic customers (PayPal shop, coupons, picture gallery).
4. Every .tel owner will have the most possible flexibility to create a great website.
5. .tel remains the only TLD with an unique technical concept (storing contact data in the DNS).
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let wrote:The new development has many disadvantages:

  1. Viruses and malware will appear on .tel domains as on all other websites
  2. Building directories won't be able anymore
  3. All the past work for directories will be lost
  4. Disabling of data privacy for contact data
  5. No developer support due to cancellation of the API
  6. No monetization due to cancellation of Google AdSense
  7. Limitation in content by using the new Telhosting template
  8. Loss of search rankings for directories
  9. Loss of profit for established .tel domains
  10. Loss of existing .tel customers that are used to the old Telhosting platform

as wrote:Customers will be even more confused about the .tel offers in the future than they have already been in the past.
People who are not familiar with .tel won't know what to expect when purchasing a .tel and website visitors will be confused what to expect when opening a .tel.
Is this now good or bad?
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Post by MWX on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 8:55 pm

Poseidon wrote:Is this now good or bad?

This is a complete new start for .tel. So, let's imagine for a moment that .tel would start in three months from now without any previous history. In that case, .tel would be just another TLD from the thousand that has been released during the last two years. Would .tel have a chance?

Very good features will be available:

  • Every registrant can handle .tel the same way as any other TLD.
  • In addition, every registrant could create a nice looking one-page website for free if he doesn't need a large website.
  • .tel would offer all needed SEO features by opting out the .tel template.
  • A potential future usage for modern technologies using the DNS would be possible.
  • Customers are not depended on the Telnic development anymore (that has been extraordinary slow), because finally they can do with their domains what they want.

I don't know if this is enough to lead this TLD to success, but on the other hand it's a strong improvement in comparison to the first eight years of .tel (from 2009 till 2016)!
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Post by Sunrise on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 9:06 pm

MWX wrote:
  • In addition, every registrant could create a nice looking one-page website for free if he doesn't need a large website.
This point was already available from 2012 until 2015 when Telnic sold this template through Telnames.
Only about 10,000 domains have been registered during that time.
That wasn't a big success!

What remains of .tel?
Just another TLD among many!
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Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL .TEL OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS

Post by let on Wed 14 Dec 2016, 10:13 pm

Somehow I think that Telnic comes 8 years too late with the announced changes.
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Post by x1y2 on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 6:03 am

https://www.telmasters.com/ is the only .tel service that hasn't been closed since the launch of .tel in 2009.

A lot of work has been invested in this service.
Either this is completely lost or everything has to be rebuilt from the ground again.
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Post by 4444 on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 6:11 am

x1y2 wrote:A lot of work has been invested in this service.
Either this is completely lost or everything has to be rebuilt from the ground again.

Telmasters has only used the SOAP API until now. If Mark wants to continue his service, he has to develop a complete Telhosting platform this time.
Telnic is searching for long for someone who does exactly this, but until now only very few Chinese registrars have been willing to do this (with very little success).

Until today, beside Telnames no other serious Telhosting platform for the whole market (except China) has been developed (not from Telnic and not from third parties).
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Post by Sunrise on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 6:26 am

4444 wrote:Until today, beside Telnames no other serious Telhosting platform for the whole market (except China) has been developed (not from Telnic and not from third parties).
The lack of options is the reason why Telnic isn't able to discuss this topic in public:
mikeseaton wrote:If you would like to continue to host your .tel domain on a similar Telhosting platform that supports sub domains please contact cservice@telnic.org and we will help you to review hosting options."
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Post by as on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 6:36 am

Sunrise wrote:The lack of options is the reason why Telnic isn't able to discuss this topic in public:
mikeseaton wrote:If you would like to continue to host your .tel domain on a similar Telhosting platform that supports sub domains please contact cservice@telnic.org and we will help you to review hosting options."

But then, what options is Telnic offering to review?
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Post by Sunrise on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 6:42 am

as wrote:But then, what options is Telnic offering to review?

For sure no Telhosting options; because no other Telhosting platform will exist from March on - as announced by Telnic.
They will recommend customers to transfer their data to one of the manyfold web hosting services.
Here you can find a few: http://uk.pcmag.com/webcom/8310/guide/the-best-web-hosting-services-of-2017

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Post by maxi on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 7:03 am

Sunrise wrote:They will recommend customers to transfer their data to one of the manyfold web hosting services.
Here you can find a few: http://uk.pcmag.com/webcom/8310/guide/the-best-web-hosting-services-of-2017

Please do not select "1&1.com" from the list in the link above. I do not know about the rest ones but considerably big number of people think that 1&1 are skammers with their service of domain registrations.

At name.com there is very good hosting with Wordpress, it name is "Blogger". It is simple to use even for beginners and support is professional. I used it for few years from 2009. And it is fast.

At name.com it costs $29.95/year - https://www.name.com/wordpress-hosting

It is faster then my current one at NameCheap.com (another good option too - but here you need somebody who will help to launch your domain to Wordpress).  

At nameCheap.com it costs $38.88/year (regular price), with current action - $9.88/year - https://www.namecheap.com/hosting/shared.aspx


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Post by maxi on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 7:21 am

P.S.
For normal "conventional" website better choose two-words COM domain with keywords included in its name. As option for some businesses might be ORG domain.

And your TEL (if you want to have it) use as one-page online visit card which contains link to that your main site on COM.

In this way you will save years of your future work with promotion of your site.
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Post by Expert on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 7:24 am

I recommend first choosing the right website builder (if you don't want to program your new website under .tel yourself):
http://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/website-builder-comparison/

What hosting option to choose will depend for most registrants on the offers from the registrar where the .tel domain is registered.

But there is a new aspect for .tel domain registrants:
In the past they had to pay only the registration fees.
In the future they have to pay for hosting in addition (if they don't want to use the Telnames template without subdomains).
'maxi' gave already one example.
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Post by Telnot on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 9:57 am

Telnic, thank you for always entertaining us with new ideas how to scare your customers away!
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Post by Sunrise on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 10:01 am

Telnot wrote:Telnic, thank you for always entertaining us with new ideas how to scare your customers away!

Telnic is very successful in doing so:
http://registrarstats.com/TLDHistoryChart.aspx?TLDName=TEL
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Post by TelGirl on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 12:38 pm

I've made up my mind:
I see no advantages of .tel in comparison to other TLDs anymore.

I'll drop my last .tels now.
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Post by 4444 on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 3:43 pm

@TelGirl

This finding comes a few years late, but better late than never.
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Post by Hotty on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 5:53 pm

If Telnic would be innovative, it would offer a button for your freely hosted websites which would be used to display the contact data from the DNS on demand (meaning: the webmaster can do with his website what he wants, but can use the DNS at the same time in addition or in parallel).

But this would involve development; and we know that Telnic doesn't like investing effort.
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Post by DirectoryDan on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 6:14 pm

mikeseaton wrote:For those who can't bear the thought of losing their .TEL Subdomains (though I wouldn't try and sell a .TEL after March 2017 containing subdomains since the buyer wouldn't recognise the format) Telnic have covered this in their post at http://www.teltalk.org/t4467-important-news-for-all-tel-owners-and-community-members#15945

"8. What if I wish to continue to host my .tel domain on a platform that supports sub domains?

The current Telhosting platform will be shutdown on 13th March 2017. If you would like to continue to host your .tel domain on a similar Telhosting platform that supports sub domains please contact cservice@telnic.org and we will help you to review hosting options
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Hope this helps !

http://MikeSeaton.tel

Just curious... why all the concern over subdomains in the post-Telnic era?  Subdomains were a Telnic workaround in order to use the DNS system as their database.  "Regular" websites are driven from true databases like Oracle and SQL Server which are programmed to meet the needs of the websites they serve.  They do not require subdomains or subdirectories in order to present structured directory listings.  Many WordPress directory templates allow for importing of XML (.tel backup format) or CSV data into the database so leaving .tel in the dust may not be as hard as it seems!
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Post by bolton on Thu 15 Dec 2016, 6:21 pm

What I'm missing the most on http://telpage.tel are the following features:

- The possibility to insert long text
- Subdomains
- A contact form
- iFrames
- Link descriptions for long URL
- A directory to search all .tel comfortably

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