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Post by NewYorkCity on Mon 29 Oct 2012, 2:58 pm

Telnic:
Why does it take so long to get 5 wallpapers?


Telnames:
Why does it take so long to get 5 subfolders?

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Post by maxi on Mon 29 Oct 2012, 5:59 pm

NewYorkCity wrote:... to get 5 subfolders?
Fivе subfоldеrs аrе tоо lеss. If уоu nееd соnvinсе sоmеbоdу tо buу уоur prоduсt, nо mаttеr will it bе TEL dоmаin, оr а саr, оr а vасuum сlеаnеr, уоu nееd first tо tеll buуеr а fаsсinаting stоrу аbоut thаt prоduсt.

If sеllеr will sау "Yоu will gеt 5 subdоmаins in уоur TеL", thеn it will sоund nоt sеriоus аnd nоt fаsсinаting аnd pоtеntiаl buуеr will lаugh аt thе fасе оf suсh sеllеr.

But thеn sеllеr sауs "уоu will gеt 3000 subdоmаins, аnd 100 соntасts аt еасh subdоmаin, with а tоtаl аmоunt оf 300 000 соntасts", thеn this sоunds vеrу соnvinсing аnd fаsсinаting. Of соursе, оnlу fеw buуеrs will usе thеsе 300 000 соntасts in rеаlitу аnd thе rеst will usе 5 оr 10 оr 15, but thе stоrу shоuld соntаin thоsе 3000 subdоmаins with 100 соntасts еасh.

It is thе sаmе thing аs with а саr: buуеr likеs tо lеаrn thаt with his nеw саr hе соuld mаkе 200 milеs pеr hоur, thоught hе will nеvеr trу tо ridе with thаt spееd. But thаt pоssibilitу оf mаking thоsе 200 milеs pеr hоur will hеlp sеllеr tо sеll thе саr tо thе buуеr.

It is ABC оf еvеrу sаlеsmаn.


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Post by TelFan on Tue 30 Oct 2012, 8:19 pm

NewYorkCity wrote:Telnic:
Why does it take so long to get 5 wallpapers?


Telnames:
Why does it take so long to get 5 subfolders?
There is absolutely no doubt both options will come, but Telnic is only busy with promoting (not developing) Telnames for now.
Therefore it is hard to predict WHEN this will happen.
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Post by Sunrise on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 3:04 am

It's a matter of what you want:
If you want subfolders, buy a domain from Telnic for less than $10
If you want background pictures, buy a domain from Telnames for a price two and a half times higher.
If you want to have no limitations, buy a .com for much less.
If you don't need a domain name, register a service for free.
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Post by mikeseaton on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 8:41 am

Sunrise wrote:It's a matter of what you want:
If you want subfolders, buy a domain from Telnic for less than $10
If you want background pictures, buy a domain from Telnames for a price two and a half times higher.
If you want to have no limitations, buy a .com for much less.
If you don't need a domain name, register a service for free.
Excellent summary of the situation Sunrise, horses for courses as they say !

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Post by Telnamer on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm

Sunrise wrote:It's a matter of what you want:
If you want subfolders, buy a domain from Telnic for less than $10
If you want background pictures, buy a domain from Telnames for a price two and a half times higher.
If you want to have no limitations, buy a .com for much less.
If you don't need a domain name, register a service for free.
If you are a small business, don't have time for website purchases and administration and don't want to spend a lot of money for website design, buy a .tel at Telnames and you have an attractive, hassle-free and the easiest entry product for your own internet property ever.
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Post by Telminator on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 4:55 pm

TelFan wrote:
NewYorkCity wrote:Telnic:
Why does it take so long to get 5 wallpapers?


Telnames:
Why does it take so long to get 5 subfolders?
There is absolutely no doubt both options will come, but Telnic is only busy with promoting (not developing) Telnames for now.
Therefore it is hard to predict WHEN this will happen.
I try to be realistic. For people not directly involved it's only speculation what goes on at Telnic and useless to try to understand the purpose of the two different offers from Telnic and Telnames.
Therefore I think about the scenario we will see in a few years. Technically it's very easy to launch the same features for both companies. Nobody knows why Telnic keep the improvements back and slows down their own business, but wallpapers and subfolders and many more requests from us will be provided by both companies one day. There is absolutely no reason for not providing the most needed services, especially since no disadvantages exists for it and since the effort is so small.
For whatever reason Telnic surely wants to continue with the unmodified products for now, but one day they will do the reasonable thing.
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Post by mikeseaton on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 5:04 pm

Telminator wrote:For whatever reason Telnic surely wants to continue with the unmodified products for now, but one day they will do the reasonable thing.
Why would they ?

Every improvement to the Telnic .tels is a disincentive for users to register their .tel at Telnames (costing over twice as much), which is the only version of .tel now being marketed and is obviously the future http://Kash.tel has mapped out for both of these companies that he is CEO for.

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Post by silvano on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 5:12 pm

Telnamer wrote:If you are a small business, don't have time for website purchases and administration and don't want to spend a lot of money for website design, buy a .tel at Telnames and you have an attractive, hassle-free and the easiest entry product for your own internet property ever.

Times have changed.

To register a domain serve 5 minutes ... and a credit card.

With the help of templates proposed by Registrars, or templates found on the Net, or with the help of a child, grandchild, friend strong in Internet that we all know, it's quick and easy to create a website with few pages useful and beautiful.

And the cost can be the 3-10 € of the domain alone.
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Post by Telnamer on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:10 pm

silvano wrote:
Telnamer wrote:If you are a small business, don't have time for website purchases and administration and don't want to spend a lot of money for website design, buy a .tel at Telnames and you have an attractive, hassle-free and the easiest entry product for your own internet property ever.

Times have changed.

To register a domain serve 5 minutes ... and a credit card.

With the help of templates proposed by Registrars, or templates found on the Net, or with the help of a child, grandchild, friend strong in Internet that we all know, it's quick and easy to create a website with few pages useful and beautiful.

And the cost can be the 3-10 € of the domain alone.
The market is very confusing.
For newbies it isn't easy to find a cheap and easy solution.
With Telnames they get the easiest solution from one source ever.
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Post by Telminator on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:23 pm

mikeseaton wrote:
Telminator wrote:For whatever reason Telnic surely wants to continue with the unmodified products for now, but one day they will do the reasonable thing.
Why would they ?

Every improvement to the Telnic .tels is a disincentive for users to register their .tel at Telnames (costing over twice as much), which is the only version of .tel now being marketed and is obviously the future http://Kash.tel has mapped out for both of these companies that he is CEO for.

http://MikeSeaton.tel
Hmmmmmmm!
What happens if Telnic gets the idea to calculate their revenues from Telnames and will find out they sold only 2,500 domains?
Is it worth to maintain a separated company for this?
Perhaps they will see the wrong direction and close Telnames!

In addition with some pressure from customers, registrars and ICANN the end of Telnames can come soon!

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Post by maxi on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 10:47 pm

Telminator wrote:What happens if Telnic gets the idea to calculate their revenues from Telnames and will find out they sold only 2,500 domains?
Is it worth to maintain a separated company for this?
It is interesting from what money Telnames Ltd pays salaries for its staff? Had it also investors, like Telnic has in its time with its 35 millions?

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Post by Telminator on Wed 31 Oct 2012, 11:09 pm

maxi wrote:It is interesting from what money Telnames Ltd pays salaries for its staff?
The staff is employed by Telnic and Telnames at the same time. Frankly spoken it is the same company - just with two legal entities.
So no reason to worry about the continuation of their salary.

maxi wrote:Had it also investors, like Telnic has in its time with its 35 millions?
Yes, there is one investor. It is Telnic: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07471889
All activities at Telnames are in responsibility from Telnic.
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Post by Freedom for .tel on Thu 01 Nov 2012, 12:04 am

Telminator wrote:In addition with some pressure from customers, registrars and ICANN the end of Telnames can come soon!
If Telnic has a clear
conscience, they don't
have to be afraid of
anything.

The question is why
they haven't been
open about Telnames!

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Post by maxi on Thu 01 Nov 2012, 7:05 am

Telminator wrote:The staff is employed by Telnic and Telnames at the same time. Frankly spoken it is the same company - just with two legal entities. So no reason to worry about the continuation of their salary.
Аs I knоw, in sоmе cоntriеs (in minе in pаrticulаr), bу lаw еvеrу dirеctоr (CЕО) оf аnу rеgistеrеd Ltd. shоuld gеt his sаlаrу. Thе minimum аmоunt оf this sаlаrу is cоnfirmеd bу lаw. Еvеn if thаt Ltd is nоt wоrking, оr hаs nо prоfit, оr hаs nо оthеr stаff, thе sаlаrу shоuld bе givеn tо thе dirеctоr.

I dо nоt knоw thе UK lаw, but if it wоuld bе thе sаmе аs in mу cоuntrу, thеn CЕО оf Tеlnаmеs shоuld hаvе his sаlаrу frоm Tеlnаmеs Ltd. аnd CЕО оf Tеlnic shоuld hаvе his sаlаrу frоm Tеlnic Ltd.
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Post by mikeseaton on Thu 01 Nov 2012, 11:13 am

Telminator wrote:Yes, there is one investor. It is Telnic: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07471889
All activities at Telnames are in responsibility from Telnic.
Click the above link, then the Directors/Employees tab, and note the identity of the new director appointed on 16 October 2012.

So Telnames, the company with the least amount of anticipated future development (the http://YourBusiness.tel template looks effectively a finished product), appoints as its 2nd director the most technically-orientated person from the Telnic board.

Interesting !

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Post by fustachio.tel on Thu 01 Nov 2012, 11:31 am

If Telnames is a problem then they can sell the company and the proxy to name.com nothing is stopping telnic from doing that, and even twitter or google or apple might like to buy that proxy company as at least in the case of twitter it's a nice partner for their site/apps, thus they can reduce the price and give it to everyone and do magical things or not or whatever.

Telnames maybe banking on that fact that when one of these major companies see it they decide they want to buy it so they don't have to do much work themselves, they'll get their money back and dot tel will kick off a huge spurt of popularity.

But I believe Telnames won't be sold but if registrars are jealous of telnames I would at least like to know they tried to offer to buy it.

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Post by fustachio.tel on Thu 01 Nov 2012, 11:47 am

Also telnames should partner with the UK government as I believe every older child should have a free domain for life, with the new tlds coming out I think that might happen in the future but for growth the UK Gov could supplement part of the costs per domain or all of the cost so that each child when registered at birth can get a dot tel for their future to build a profile/small business on so they have an opportunity to be creative in themselves and offer those services etc to others or other children etc if it's via a learning process in schools.

There's a country I think Saudi Arabia? who is taking on apps.something and want's to provide it for every child in their country, along side some other support so they become the app makers of the world, put money credits in a dot tel without paypal links and such and make it easy to make payments without fraud to each other, then you approach UK Gov get them to supplement it and give them to everyone and we could have a very strong IT country whose business savvy and can support themselves.

This is why credits/money proxies are important, that coupled with making payments through them without all the messy systems and external providers coming between it can fuel a dynamic market, why carry cash? at least in the case of school/collage kids who could pay for their lunch via a school .tel and one of those cards as adverted on here with the chip etc by trading services between other class mates.

I'll help you with your home work for 30creds per hour, I'll etc drives them to want to do things if they can then spend those on other external services like games etc.

Some schools have tried reward systems but idk how they work out I think some cheat but if it's like this where it's left up to them to decide what they want to provide each other then it's harder to cheat and more rewarding for the effort they put in.

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Post by maxi on Thu 01 Nov 2012, 11:58 am

mikeseaton wrote:http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07471889
Click the above link, then the Directors/Employees tab, and note the identity of the new director appointed on 16 October 2012.

So Telnames, ... appoints as its 2nd director the most technically-orientated person from the Telnic board.
I dо nоt undеrstаnd, nоw Tеlnаmеs Ltd hаs twо dirеctоrs оr оnе?

Mаy bе sоmеbоdy frоm UK knоws thе rеgulаtiоns аbоut sаlаry оf а cоmpаny dirеctоr: dо еxist thеrе а minimаl аmоunt оf company's dirеctоr sаlаry аnd is it by lаw rеquirеd frоm а cоmpаny аlwаys tо pay it's dirеctоr his sаlаry?

I just wоndеr, cоuld it bе thаt thе аll thе gаmе is аbоut twо sаlаriеs in а mоnth instеаd оf оnly оnе?
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Post by Telminator on Thu 01 Nov 2012, 4:04 pm

maxi wrote:I just wоndеr, cоuld it bе thаt thе аll thе gаmе is аbоut twо sаlаriеs in а mоnth instеаd оf оnly оnе?
Clearly the creation of Telnames is just a strategic move from Telnic to prevent any further development at Telnic and to secure higher revenues for themselves.
Telnic doesn't want to do this job, because they see the work at their registrars.
Surely the directors and employees don't get two salaries only because everybody is working for two companies now.
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Post by Sunrise on Fri 02 Nov 2012, 12:36 am

fustachio.tel wrote:Also telnames should partner with the UK government as I believe every older child should have a free domain for life, with the new tlds coming out I think that might happen in the future but for growth the UK Gov could supplement part of the costs per domain or all of the cost so that each child when registered at birth can get a dot tel for their future to build a profile/small business on so they have an opportunity to be creative in themselves and offer those services etc to others or other children etc if it's via a learning process in schools.
What a great idea!
There are so many options to make .tel popular!

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Post by maxi on Sat 03 Nov 2012, 7:42 am

Telminator wrote:Surely the directors and employees don't get two salaries only because everybody is working for two companies now.
I also do not think that employees have something from that. Usually nobody from bosses (call them "Big Fish") cares about employees' business. I mean what about these Big Fish business?


There is a saying "If it is not clear what the matter is about, be sure this matter is about money". And I ask myself - "why not it could be so?"

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