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The key to success

Post by Sunrise on Thu 13 Dec 2012, 2:20 am

I'm getting tired talking about the pros and cons of .tel and the mistakes made before.
Telnic should concentrate on the only important question:
How to convince phone manufactures and providers about
1. introducing name dialing
2. using the DNS for it?
Telnic can't reach critical mass before answering this question, because name dialing is the only way to reach critical mass for .tel!
The products from Telnic and Telnames are completely irrelevant, because critical mass can't be reached with the solutions provided by them until today.
All you can get from Telnic or Telnames so far everybody can get from other services for cheaper.

.tel should be for phones what Facebook is for computers today!!
But instead Telnames tries to compete with hosting services.
Do we really need another hosting service like Telnames after everybody can find already hundreds of other competitors on the internet?

.tel will become a world changing sensation as soon name dialing comes into play, but before that there won't be a reason for anybody in the world to register a .tel!
The only reason to register a .tel today is to speculate for a future when name dialing is provided by .tel.
But that can't be provided by Telnic.
It could be only provided by phone companies using the technology from Telnic. And phone companies don't need critical mass from .tel for that!
Phone companies only need to see the advantages of name dialing. Is that so difficult to explain to them?
Every kid should understand it's easier to dial a name instead of a number!
It can't be rocket science to explain it to phone companies!


Perhaps it would be much easier to convince phone companies about this if Telnic would start exchanging opinions and activities with their customers, supporters and experts from these industry sectors!!
(Another side effect would be that Telnic would get a much better picture in the public opinion!)

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Post by Alex on Thu 13 Dec 2012, 2:43 am

Very interesting!

Thank you very much for the food for thought:

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Re: The key to success

Post by Tely on Thu 13 Dec 2012, 4:30 pm

Sunrise wrote:
How to convince phone manufactures and providers about
1. introducing name dialing
2. using the DNS for it?
Every kid should understand it's easier to dial a name instead of a number!
It can't be rocket science to explain it to phone companies!
From where I know this term?

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Post by fustachio.tel on Fri 14 Dec 2012, 1:04 am

I believe the reason they don't move in that direction is obvious, they tried and was knocked back so many times they gave up trying to talk to those phone manufacturers, I also believe one issue that was mentioned a while back was that when one was interested in either dealing with a 3rd party developer or telnic, they the PM company go though so many employees that the project got dropped as the person pushing for it inside said company was either fired or just moved on.
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A strong tel integration might have the illusion to them of possibly cutting into their profits some how, imagine how many sim cards people go through or don't go through per year and if there was a system that made it easer to move to another phone number with your contacts being able to find you in 1 second, said phone manufacturers/distributor would feel threatened as they could no longer lock people into paying for that sim even if they hate the number and get nuisance calls as moving provider is a hassle for most people.
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With a tel you can move provider without keeping the number at the drop of a hat as the URL translates to any number, thus them giving tel power to take away locking people into keeping their phone numbers means less profits for them as people will roam far too quickly to other line providers and thus they fear anything that takes away steady profits.
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I imagine they looked at tel and asked how would this effect us and our profits and came up with ways that it would and so don't want to do it.
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So the way to appeal to a corporation is how it will make them MORE money, not how it will help their customers.
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Post by mikeseaton on Fri 14 Dec 2012, 11:36 am

fustachio.tel wrote:With a tel you can move provider without keeping the number at the drop of a hat as the URL translates to any number, thus them giving tel power to take away locking people into keeping their phone numbers means less profits for them as people will roam far too quickly to other line providers and thus they fear anything that takes away steady profits.
Good insight by Fustachio above !

So the only way to appeal to Telcos is for .tel to have such CRITICAL MASS that it is expected by customers that they offer name-dialing as a standard feature - and failure to do so means the customer goes away to a Telco who does offers this facility.

I'm just not sure that name-dialing is Telnic's (realistic) ultimate aim any more ?

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Re: The key to success

Post by Sunrise on Fri 14 Dec 2012, 3:34 pm

fustachio.tel wrote:I believe the reason they don't move in that direction is obvious, they tried and was knocked back so many times they gave up trying to talk to those phone manufacturers,

I imagine they looked at tel and asked how would this effect us and our profits and came up with ways that it would and so don't want to do it.
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So the way to appeal to a corporation is how it will make them MORE money, not how it will help their customers.
In that case we need somebody inside Telnic who has the skill to explain the advantages of .tel for phone companies as mentioned on TelTalk:
This offers Telcos new revenues:

Distribution of new kind of phone numbers (in several ways)
Introduction of fees for connections dialed via mobile internet
Introduction of scales for different kind of phone numbers; so different rates will apply for dialing different kind of numbers
Fees for additional features of dialing and organizing phone numbers
Directly in the operation system of the cell phone integrated advertisement related to the topic of the dialed phone number
Selling premium name phone numbers
Offering uncountable new services based on name phone numbers
Being the first provider for name dialing (which gives an important head start against competitors)
And many more
http://teltalkorg.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/tel-will-change-the-world/

It should be possible to find at least one phone company that understands the potential.
That one will have the first mover advantage.
If a phone company does it right, it could earn tons of money with it.
But of course it has to be a company big enough to be a role model for others.
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Re: The key to success

Post by Natal on Fri 14 Dec 2012, 4:22 pm

Sunrise wrote:All you can get from Telnic or Telnames so far everybody can get from other services for cheaper.
Not completely: Where else you can find a domain so easy to administrate?

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Post by maxi on Fri 14 Dec 2012, 6:27 pm

Sunrise wrote:It should be possible to find at least one phone company that understands the potential.
Why any phone company should be interested in promoting business of Telnic - which does not belongs to that company? If some of them would be interested, when they will simply wait until Telnic's busness fall down further and then cheaply buy it for themselves.

I think that very little busenesses would like to have as a partner a company, which itself is not able to get into success and for many years lives on investors money.
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Post by Telminator on Sat 15 Dec 2012, 10:10 pm

fustachio.tel wrote:So the way to appeal to a corporation is how it will make them MORE money, not how it will help their customers.
Right; the argument for phone companies wouldn't be the customer's benefit (which is obvious), but more the benefit for the phone companies.

Somebody has to explain the advantages to them:
Phone manufactures:
Great customer experience and satisfaction
Service providers:
Strong increase of phone calls
Big fluctuation from use of websites to initiating calls to each other
Introducing fees for handling of connections dialed by .tel
Introducing fees for new services with operations like "Call the nearest dentist close to my current location!"

There are not many relevant companies whom Telnic needs to speak to for a potential success:
Phone manufactures:
Apple, Google, Samsung
Service providers:
AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon

If phone companies think they can't earn money with name dialing, then nobody explained it to them the right way.
Instead name dialing could be the biggest revolution after inventing the internet!
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Post by mikeseaton on Sun 16 Dec 2012, 4:13 pm

Telminator wrote:If phone companies think they can't earn money with name dialing, then nobody explained it to them the right way.
Instead name dialing could be the biggest revolution after inventing the internet!
Here's a previous thread about this subject !

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Post by maxi on Sun 16 Dec 2012, 5:25 pm

There are not many relevant companies whom Telnic needs to speak to for a potential success:
Phone manufactures:
Apple, Google, Samsung
Service providers:
AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon
Telnames Ltd. has Telnic Ltd. as the sole shareholder (1 share of £1 nominal value).

FWIW Telnames Ltd. has a Net Asset Value of -198,260 GBP (i.e. negative amount).
It should be a very interesting scene when a person will come to Apple's and say:
"I represent Ltd of £1 nominal value and with debts of 198,260 GBP, and I want to make with you a great business..."

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Post by mikeseaton on Sun 16 Dec 2012, 6:09 pm

maxi wrote:It should be a very interesting scene when a person will come to Apple's and say:
"I represent Ltd of £1 nominal value and with debts of 198,260 GBP, and I want to make with you a great business..."
Kash would obviously need to remember to put his Telnic Ltd. hat on at such a meeting, and not the Telnames Ltd. one you described above !

The Net Worth of Telnic Ltd. is reported by http://companycheck.co.uk/company/03555437#financials as being £8,793,812 "for the 2011 financial period".

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Post by TelFan on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 12:45 am

Telminator wrote:Introducing fees for new services with operations like "Call the nearest dentist close to my current location!"
Great idea for a new concept:
.tel could become for phone connections what Adwords is for web searches today.
Businesses could pay a commission if a caller gets relayed to them by .tel (or name dialing)!

Example: The caller instructs his iPhone by using Siri (or alternatively by using the keypad of his phone) to dial an attorney / a consultant / a service / a product provider.
In the next step the .tel number gets dialed from that company that pays the highest CPC ad price (exactly how it works with the paid advertisement from Google today).
If the dialed service offers 0800 numbers for free, customers / callers wouldn't hesitate to give it a try.

With this concept Google have become the monopolist of the interent.
Phone companies could do the same with phone connections.
Should they really want to give up this big opportunity?
We are talking about the biggest business idea for phone companies ever!
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Post by Telnot on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 1:12 am

Hey guys, now you are going way too far. You explain everything to Telnic what is needed for success. Are you aware about that you are doing this for free? And even worse you write it in public, so competitors could create their own business with this idea if Telnic is not fast enough!

My bet: Google will offer the suggested service in the future - with or without Telnic!
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Post by TelFan on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 1:21 am

Telnot wrote:My bet: Google will offer the suggested service in the future - with or without Telnic!
It's up to Telnic to be a little bit creative, persuasive and persistant!
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Post by Telnot on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 1:23 am

TelFan wrote:It's up to Telnic to be a little bit creative, persuasive and persistant!
Wise words! What else they have to do?
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Post by mikeseaton on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 6:49 am

Telnot wrote:
TelFan wrote:It's up to Telnic to be a little bit creative, persuasive and persistant!
Wise words! What else they have to do?
I would suggest the following:
mikeseaton wrote:1. Stop treating the internet business as a 5 day a week operation - it isn't - it's a 7 day a week 24 hours a day operation that needs office staffing to reflect this.

2. Incentivise staff with partial payment of their remuneration package being in company shares - how many millionaires (due to their staff share scheme) do Microsoft have working for them - several thousand I believe !

3. Realise that there needs to be a way found immediately to get .tel registrants of the original Telnic subdomain format over to the new Telnames format.

4. Realise that NO existing TLD has managed to succeed without the involvement of registrars - why should .tel be any different - IMO many registrars will quit .tel as things stand in the next 12 months as they get fed up with Telnic/Telnames competing with them via a "direct sell" of the Telnames template.

5. Get the worldwide marketing and branding of .tel achieved by the "pay for results" offered by 100,000+ affiliates at http://www.CJ.com and http://www.TradeDoubler.com
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Post by maxi on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 1:16 pm

There are not many relevant companies whom Telnic needs to speak to for a potential success:
Phone manufactures:
Apple, Google, Samsung
Service providers:
AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon

One more possible buyer of Telnic Ltd.: Economy of Tonga
The royal family and the nobles dominate and largely own the monetary sector of the economy – particularly the telecommunications and satellite services.
It seems from that Wiki article, that royal family of that island could be happy to find some good business. Buying Telnic Ltd. and then exanding TEL to the billions of users could be such business for them. They would be not lazy in developing TEL and making money with it.


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Post by mikeseaton on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 4:24 pm

mikeseaton wrote:1. Stop treating the internet business as a 5 day a week operation - it isn't - it's a 7 day a week 24 hours a day operation that needs office staffing to reflect this.

2. Incentivise staff with partial payment of their remuneration package being in company shares - how many millionaires (due to their staff share scheme) do Microsoft have working for them - several thousand I believe !

3. Realise that there needs to be a way found immediately to get .tel registrants of the original Telnic subdomain format over to the new Telnames format.

4. Realise that NO existing TLD has managed to succeed without the involvement of registrars - why should .tel be any different - IMO many registrars will quit .tel as things stand in the next 12 months as they get fed up with Telnic/Telnames competing with them via a "direct sell" of the Telnames template.

5. Get the worldwide marketing and branding of .tel achieved by the "pay for results" offered by 100,000+ affiliates at http://www.CJ.com and http://www.TradeDoubler.com
That's point 5 started with (at least for Telnames .tels, using CJ) - now just points 1-4 need addressing !

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Post by maxi on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 5:34 pm

mikeseaton wrote:3. Realise that there needs to be a way found immediately to get .tel registrants of the original Telnic subdomain format over to the new Telnames format.
mikeseaton, what exactly do you mean by this sentence? I do not understand from that sentence, do you want to destroy all Telnames TELs or all Telnic TELs?
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maxi wrote:
mikeseaton wrote:3. Realise that there needs to be a way found immediately to get .tel registrants of the original Telnic subdomain format over to the new Telnames format.
mikeseaton, what exactly do you mean by this sentence? I do not understand from that sentence, do you want to destroy all Telnames TELs or all Telnic TELs?
What I mean is that Telnic/Telnames needs to find a way to offer the http://YourBusiness.tel style template to ALL .tel registrants regardless of the registrar they currently use.

That would potentially lead to a huge increase from the current figure of less than 5,000 Telnames format domains and would add a lot of credibility to the ONLY .tel marketing that is taking place i.e. that of the Telnames format.

Of course not everyone would choose to make the switch - but IMO a very significant majority of existing .tel registrants would !

And .tel forums could become a happy place again, with just about everyone "singing from the same hymn sheet" !

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Post by Phillipe on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 5:09 am

mikeseaton wrote:And .tel forums could become a happy place again, with just about everyone "singing from the same hymn sheet" !
I'm only waiting for something positive to happen for making a positive comment. Telnic has 12 months this yaer to break the silence.

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