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What 2013 will bring?

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How many .tel will be registered on 31/12/2013?

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80% [80%] 
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 1:33 pm

Sunrise wrote:
mikeseaton wrote:I didn't post that as an option but it obviously merits consideration !
It's a tough call, because nobody knows where .tel will stand in a few years.
It certainly is, Heads or Tails ?

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Mad Max on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 1:56 pm

mikeseaton wrote:Have just checked out the latest version of the home page http://www.telnames.com myself and confirm that it clearly states:

* Introductory price - expires 14 Jan 2013 (normal price £24.95). Includes set up, hosting & VAT.
$40 for an one sheet page?
now telnic is losing sense of reality entirely
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Expert on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 2:15 pm

Mad Max wrote:
mikeseaton wrote:Have just checked out the latest version of the home page http://www.telnames.com myself and confirm that it clearly states:

* Introductory price - expires 14 Jan 2013 (normal price £24.95). Includes set up, hosting & VAT.
$40 for an one sheet page?
now telnic is losing sense of reality entirely
I'm surprised it's true. My guess is Telnames has the same problem as Telnic with low sales and is desperate now in finding ways to compensate the high costs for the TV ad on Sky in December.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by ixida on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 2:21 pm

2013 starts with a big bang. Happy New Year!
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Crazy on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 3:45 pm

Expert wrote:Instead the launch of Telnames has accelerated the downward trend.
Of course, because everybody can see how easy it would be to program a better website builder than Telnames. I'm wondering why so many people are complaining about tel. Usually customers will leave and never come back if they are not satisfied. But probably most of you have invested too much money into a company that doesn't want to listen to you. I will just drop all of my tel and will find my peace with it.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 4:18 pm

Crazy wrote:
Expert wrote:Instead the launch of Telnames has accelerated the downward trend.
Of course, because everybody can see how easy it would be to program a better website builder than Telnames. I'm wondering why so many people are complaining about tel. Usually customers will leave and never come back if they are not satisfied. But probably most of you have invested too much money into a company that doesn't want to listen to you. I will just drop all of my tel and will find my peace with it.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by TelKing on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 4:36 pm

Perhaps this will clear the situation even more:
According to http://teldomains.co/?go=drops 153,841 .tels dropped since June 2011.
Now you can think about the question of the poll above.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Tue 01 Jan 2013, 4:49 pm

TelKing wrote:According to http://teldomains.co/?go=drops 153,841 .tels dropped since June 2011.
According to HosterStats the "Net" Drop (i.e. allowing for Pickups) is 92,337 between March 2011 (333,891) and January 2013 (241,554).

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http://www.hosterstats.com/DomainNameCounts2013.php


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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Phillipe on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 5:03 am

Telnames is preparing the price rise. The excellent "Welcome to Telnamees" video has been deleted from Youtube, because the old price $14.95 is mentioned inside.
I'm very sorry, but Ican't contribute any optimism to this discussion either. How this tld can survive without any improvement?
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Moonlight on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 5:16 am

Telnames went live in April last year.
After that the Telnames customers' websites haven't been updated.
I conclude the price increase will come along with a major update.
Perhaps Telnames will provide flexible text sections and subfolders.
That is good news!
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Expert on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 5:53 am

Phillipe wrote:Telnames is preparing the price rise. The excellent "Welcome to Telnamees" video has been deleted from Youtube, because the old price $14.95 is mentioned inside.
Telnames forgot to update the video on their website. I get an error there: http://www.telnames.com/what-is-a-dot-tel/
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by FrankW. on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 6:27 am

Phillipe wrote:Telnames is preparing the price rise.
What will happen now? Will the Telnames customers drop their domains?
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 7:25 am

FrankW. wrote:
Phillipe wrote:Telnames is preparing the price rise.
What will happen now? Will the Telnames customers drop their domains?
You won't find out until after the anniversary of Telnames launch is reached - April 2013.

But remember that many Telnames customers paid either £5.00 or £9.95 with trade show discounts, so it's quite a hefty rise to be asked to register/renew at £24.95 ($40.68 at today's XE.com exchange rate) from 14 January 2013.

I'm surprised that Telnames has chosen to do this, since at 4 times the street price of a $10.00 Telnic .tel it really means there is no chance of existing registrars ever being able to offer the Telnames format.

This price rise has led me to rethink the transfer of up to 500 Telnic .tels to Telnames - the big problem of course is that the Telnic .tel format is no longer being marketed.

Maybe it's time to get the **** out of this never-ending catalogue of issues, or is it worth hanging on for just a bit longer ?

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Orangeblossom on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 7:58 am

mikeseaton wrote:
FrankW. wrote:
Phillipe wrote:Telnames is preparing the price rise.
What will happen now? Will the Telnames customers drop their domains?
You won't find out until after the anniversary of Telnames launch is reached - April 2013.

But remember that many Telnames customers paid either £5.00 or £9.95 with trade show discounts, so it's quite a hefty rise to be asked to register/renew at £24.95 ($40.68 at today's XE.com exchange rate) from 14 January 2013.

I'm surprised that Telnames has chosen to do this, since at 4 times the street price of a $10.00 Telnic .tel it really means there is no chance of existing registrars ever being able to offer the Telnames format.

This price rise has led me to rethink the transfer of up to 500 Telnic .tels to Telnames - the big problem of course is that the Telnic .tel format is no longer being marketed.

Maybe it's time to get the **** out of this never-ending catalogue of issues, or is it worth hanging on for just a bit longer ?

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With such a price differential between a .Tel and a Telname, isn't that just the perfect excuse for .Tel registrars to jack the price up?

If only I could switch them off and make them vanish I'd do it in a heartbeat!
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Post by Mad Max on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 9:20 am

FrankW. wrote:
Phillipe wrote:Telnames is preparing the price rise.
What will happen now? Will the Telnames customers drop their domains?
for sure it won't bring new customers
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Mad Max on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 9:24 am

mikeseaton wrote:Maybe it's time to get the **** out of this never-ending catalogue of issues, or is it worth hanging on for just a bit longer ?
noboday can know the future, but with the current issues it is clear nothing will improve soon
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Natal on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 9:40 am

Why everybody is so negative? Maybe Telnic is close to a breakthrough that justifies the price increase.
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Post by Expert on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 9:48 am

Natal wrote:Why everybody is so negative? Maybe Telnic is close to a breakthrough that justifies the price increase.
No need to speculate. Just observe:

TelKing wrote:

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by maxi on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 10:22 am

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mikeseaton wrote:Maybe it's time to get the **** out of this never-ending catalogue of issues, or is it worth hanging on for just a bit longer ?
If you believe that one nice day something can drastically change for better, then, may it is worth to take a risk. Of course, the another thing is how much (and which ones) of the current TELs you have to leave and which ones to drop.

For example, I personally see no perspectives in keeping two-words TELs, because TEL is not a .COM (and never will be) and such TELs have any value now in the the nearest future also will have not.

It is better to have few TELs but instead of a high quality. And there is no need for many years ahead to keep big number of TELs with little value, because no profit will come from that, only expenses.

Especially, then we have a perspective that price of TELs will increase. See Telnic's plans here:
Natal wrote:Maybe Telnic is close to a breakthrough that justifies the price increase.
I understant that in this way, that if they will make a such "breakthrough", they will increase prices and we will have losses. If they will not make a "breakthrough", then we again will have losses because we will pay endlessly for renewing TELs, which has no value. So in any case we will have losses.



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Post by mikeseaton on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 10:48 am

Natal wrote:Why everybody is so negative? Maybe Telnic is close to a breakthrough that justifies the price increase.
You mean Telnames of course, Telnic domains will hopefully remain at their current level of approx 10 USD.

Not sure what sort of "breakthrough" you think would justify a price increase of nearly 67% (ie. £10.00 increase on £14.95) ?

It looks like you just have to think of £24.95 as the "normal price", and the £14.95 we all got used to as nothing more than a temporary "introductory price" to Telnames !

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Post by maxi on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 11:08 am

mikeseaton wrote:Not sure what sort of "breakthrough" you think would justify a price increase of nearly 67% (ie. £10.00 increase on £14.95) ?
I try to guess:

- in case with Telnames TELs a "breakthrough" could mean that they are preparing to add subdomains for them.

- what could mean a "breakthrough" in case with Telnic TELs I at the moment have no ideas. May be a new design? Or design taken from Telnames?



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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Telnot on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 11:24 am

Perhaps Telnic is angry about the bad feedback and is punishing you with higher prices now.
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Post by Orangeblossom on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 11:34 am

mikeseaton wrote:
Natal wrote:Why everybody is so negative? Maybe Telnic is close to a breakthrough that justifies the price increase.
You mean Telnames of course, Telnic domains will hopefully remain at their current level of approx 10 USD.

Not sure what sort of "breakthrough" you think would justify a price increase of nearly 67% (ie. £10.00 increase on £14.95) ?

It looks like you just have to think of £24.95 as the "normal price", and the £14.95 we all got used to as nothing more than a temporary "introductory price" to Telnames !

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Don't you mean £24-95 as being the normal price but £9-95 as the price we all got used to?



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Post by mikeseaton on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 11:48 am

Orangeblossom wrote:Don't you mean £24-95 as being the normal price but £9-95 as the price we all got used to?
Well I suppose £9.95 could be viewed as the street discount price, £14.95 as the normal price which turned out to be just introductory, and £24.95 as the new normal price which will exist for nn months ?

However you look at it the basic economic question remains - if something is not achieving the total revenue you want, does increasing the price (which will obviously reduce quantity of sales) lead to a greater or lesser total revenue ?

The jury's out on this - but when you've put $35,000,000 into a project perhaps you should just give the domains away for $0.01 for the first year to generate "critical mass" ?

Obviously Telnic couldn't have done this when selling via registrars, but Telnames is a "direct sell" operation and I assume they can sell at any price they decide to ?

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Post by TelKing on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 1:01 pm

Suddenly I understand something!
This was the original plan: http://www.teltalk.org/t423-comparision-of-the-five-year-financial-projections-for-tel-before-after
This is the reality:

Telnic is much smarter than all of us.
Telnic has adjusted the business model to the reality while most of us still believe the original plan could be accomplished.
Telnic isn't reaching out for critical mass anymore, because Telnic knows it's impossible.
Telnic is just doing their daily work to continue on a low level and settle there.
With this perspective it becomes clear why Telnic has stopped all effort.
I'm blaming myself for not figuring out this earlier!
Now I finally know what to do with .tel.
And at this point I like to apologize to Telnic.
It was wrong to criticize Telnic, because I had high expectations which have been very unrealistic.
Telnic just did the right thing with stopping to ride a dead horse.
I don't mean this ironic, and I'm not mad.
I'll just reduce my expectations (and my involvement) in the same way as Telnic did.

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