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What 2013 will bring?

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How many .tel will be registered on 31/12/2013?

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Sunrise on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 1:13 pm

@Telking

If your conclusion is that it's right to give up after not reaching your goals quickly, then you are doing it right now. About the rest I'm not so sure!
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Sunrise on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 1:18 pm

mikeseaton wrote:The jury's out on this - but when you've put $35,000,000 into a project perhaps you should just give the domains away for $0.01 for the first year to generate "critical mass" ?
Every successful internet company is giving away the basic service for free.
Check the price structure of every famous internet service: ALL OF THEM offer the basic package for free.
Only power users pay a higher price for extensive packages!
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 1:26 pm

TelKing wrote:I'll just reduce my expectations (and my involvement) in the same way as Telnic did.
That's a conclusion that many of us have reluctantly come to !

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by maxi on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 1:52 pm

TelKing wrote:I'll just reduce my expectations (and my involvement) in the same way as Telnic did.
I reduce my involvement also. I am not dropping all my TELs, but reducing them drastically - because I am not a sponsor for Telnic.

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TelKing wrote:Telnic is much smarter than all of us.
I always knew that.

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Any ordinary person could get his salary non-stop for already twelve years or so, then the result of his activities is that the capital of a company is permanently reducing from initial 35,000,000 (+ Landrush and renewing money) to 16,000,000 (or so). Only outstanding financial genius can do this.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Sunrise on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 1:58 pm

maxi wrote:Any ordinary person could get his salary non-stop for already twelve years or so, then the result of his activities is that the capital of a company is permanently reducing from initial 35,000,000 (+ Landrush and renewing money) to 16,000,000 (or so). Only outstanding financial genius can do this.
I see what you mean!

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by maxi on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 1:59 pm

Sunrise wrote:I see what you mean!
I would like to be a such genius, but I have not enough brains for it...
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 2:00 pm

Having just voted in the poll at the beginning of this thread, I find that I am more optimistic than 77% of forum members who have voted on the expected end-of-2013 total .tel registration figure.

That does actually surprise me !

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Sunrise on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 2:03 pm

mikeseaton wrote:Having just voted in the poll at the beginning of this thread, I find that I am more optimistic than 77% of forum members who have voted on the expected end-of-2013 total registration figure.

That does actually surprise me !

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More surprising is the fact that almost no members of a forum dedicated to a new technology believe in the future growth.

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by maxi on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 2:05 pm

mikeseaton wrote:77% of forum members who have voted on the expected end-of-2013 total registration figure.
Perhaps, it was 79%?
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 2:10 pm

maxi wrote:
mikeseaton wrote:77% of forum members who have voted on the expected end-of-2013 total registration figure.
Perhaps, it was 79%?
@maxi - another vote (saying less than 200,000) was added after my post, changing the 77% figure to 79% !

At this rate I am going to end up as one of the most optimistic .tellers around !

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Expert on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 2:11 pm

Sunrise wrote:
mikeseaton wrote:Having just voted in the poll at the beginning of this thread, I find that I am more optimistic than 77% of forum members who have voted on the expected end-of-2013 total registration figure.

That does actually surprise me !

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More surprising is the fact that almost no members of a forum dedicated to a new technology believe in the future growth.
I believe in the future growth, but not 2013. First we need to see dramatic changes.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Sunrise on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 2:15 pm

@mikeseaton, expert

The last will be the first!


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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by maxi on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 2:16 pm

Sunrise wrote:More surprising is the fact that almost no members of a forum dedicated to a new technology believe in the future growth.
In my mind, without cardinal changes in Telnic's politics any growth is possible. Change of politics could be possible only with the change of people.

Most propably, the growth could be expected only after total TELs number will fall to some 100,000 level. Only that strong signal to Telnic's shareholders could bring changes.

When such change will happen, only God knows. Will it come in a 2 years time? or in 3 years? or in 10 years? Who knows the right answer, will save a lot of money on dropping unnecessary TELs in a right time, and again picking them up in another right time.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 2:22 pm

maxi wrote:Who knows the right answer, will save a lot of money on dropping unnecessary TELs in a right time, and again picking them up in another right time.
Very true Maxi - a lot of .tels I've dropped (which would normally be considered pretty good) in recent months are still available for me to pick up in the future should I so wish.

Even if say 20% were picked up by others in the next "n" years, I've still saved a fortune in renewal fees should .tel start to become something "Joe Public" expects to have and I re-register the remaining 80% !

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by maxi on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 2:49 pm

mikeseaton wrote:Even if say 20% were picked up by others in the next "n" years, I've still saved a fortune in renewal fees should .tel start to become something "Joe Public" expects to have and I re-register the remaining 80% !
I think that for those who currently keep large number of TELs (say, for example, >300), it is possible to find some tactics for saving money on renewals. It could something like first dropping less valuable TELs, and after that constantly monitoring TEL drop/renewing trends. Then it will appear that growth began, then registering them again in seconds or minutes.

Of course, here are the risks to lost best domains. But from another side, a lot of money could be saved, if TEL fluctuating about "zero progress" will last for many next years ahead.

If the game is of less then 100 TELs, then, by my mind, it is not worth to risk in this way. But if there are thousands of TELs ... ?

Of course, I will not have/accept any responsibility for a case of fail when using that scheme.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 5:50 pm

Check out My .TEL PREDICTIONS for 2012/2013 - originally posted on 12 April 2012.

Predictions 1,2,3,4,5,8 have so far come true !

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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by maxi on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 6:52 pm

TelKing wrote:
Telnic is much smarter than all of us.

Telnic isn't reaching out for critical mass anymore, because Telnic knows it's impossible.

By the way, regarding so called "ctitical mass", the quotation from http://teltalkorg.wordpress.com//?s=critical+mass&search=Go

The only reason to register a .tel today is to speculate for a future when name dialing is provided by .tel. But that can’t be provided by Telnic.

It could be only provided by phone companies using the technology from Telnic. And phone companies don’t need critical mass from .tel for that! Phone companies only need to see the advantages of name dialing.
It could mean that if any phone company would like to get/buy Telnic Ltd, then for them it would be better if in the moment of negotiations about such buying, the Telnic Ltd would have as little registered TELs as possible. Then it's selling price would be the lowest and then the purchase of Telnic Ltd would happen at the most attractive price for the phone company.

By looking on current trend of decline of number of registered TELs, it seems that it now goes in the right direction (in the eyes of such phone company).

When Telnic/Telnames will increase their prices, the number of regs will fall further, which again will lower the value of Telnic Ltd and which again would be in favor of that phone company.

What is your opinion, can it be so? And can it be, that where we see mistakes, the exact counting exists?



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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Expert on Wed 02 Jan 2013, 7:11 pm

@maxi

Good reflection of the situation.
Telnic should try to do everything to increase the sales prices of Telnic.
Currently the opposite is happening, as example by increasing the retail price for Telnames and pushing registration numbers down.
But how many companies would be interested in Telnic?
Who can imagine the potential of the DNS?
I guess the only company who knows more about this is Google.
Either Google will buy Telnic or Telnic has to find a way to survive alone.
Whatever happens Telnic has to stop dreaming about critical mass without faster development cycle!
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Sunrise on Thu 03 Jan 2013, 7:30 am

This discussion Telnic was afraid about and was the reason why Telnic shut the official forum down.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Tim Spears on Thu 03 Jan 2013, 7:48 am

Sunrise wrote:This discussion Telnic was afraid about and was the reason why Telnic shut the official forum down.
Yes, more community members with doubts about the future will certainly drop their domains after reading this. That will accelerate the downtrend.
The employees of Telnic and members still with hope won't like this.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by Sunrise on Thu 03 Jan 2013, 7:57 am

Who falls deeply will find enlightenment!
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Thu 03 Jan 2013, 8:40 am

Sunrise wrote:Who falls deeply will find enlightenment!
Eh ?

My view is that they will just hurt themselves more the deeper they fall !

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Post by Sunrise on Thu 03 Jan 2013, 8:53 am

mikeseaton wrote:
Sunrise wrote:Who falls deeply will find enlightenment!
Eh ?

My view is that they will just hurt themselves more the deeper they fall !

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I see it differently.
The more they fall, the more they will see the need for improvement.
That includes active communication with the community, debating its needs and finishing announced developments like the advanced control panel and the deleted roadmap.
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Re: What 2013 will bring?

Post by mikeseaton on Thu 03 Jan 2013, 9:08 am

Here's one thing I hope 2013 brings for .tel - an appearance on BBC Click which airs at 8.30pm on Saturday nights (just after the News) and is all about the latest technology, mobile apps, internet trends, etc.

Here's the web site - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/ - there's lots of videos available on their site to get a flavour of what they offer.

FREE NATIONAL TV PROMOTION TO A TARGETED AUDIENCE AT A PEAK VIEWING TIME is how I would sum it up - has anyone from Telnic/Telnames been in touch with them yet ?

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Post by maxi on Thu 03 Jan 2013, 2:50 pm

Expert wrote:But how many companies would be interested in Telnic?
Who can imagine the potential of the DNS?
I guess the only company who knows more about this is Google.
Telefonica could know about TEL, because it's former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer has/had something to do with Telnic.

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