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Warning to Domainers

Post by kprobe on Tue 15 Jan 2013, 9:30 pm

From a recent post re pending .GAY TLD ...

I do love Domainers.
They are good to party with.
They are clever guys.

I just do not want to see ANY SINGLE ONE of them near any of the TLDs that I will ever create.

To put it more clear: In my eyes one of the core reasons of the deep failure of all to date new TLD’s are DOMAINERS.


http://www.thedomains.com/2013/01/15/alexander-schubert-of-gay-the-only-good-domainer-is-a-dead-domainer/

I will soon have some interesting statistics about where we are with the .TEL TLD to back up the claim that domainers that do not develop their domains can ruin any TLD.

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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by fustachio.tel on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 12:03 am

Provided a settler lived on the land and improved it, the settler could then receive the title to the land.” . . . Very similar to what .mobi and others did
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Well telnic could enforce the rules as at the moment all they have is must have a piece of contact information to display and perhaps change it to must have contact information that is actual contact information of a business or person or information relating to a service (directory and or indev etc), and not a reseller redirect link, and maybe penalize those with keyword terms like "buy this domain" with just an email address to being on a slower proxy aka putting all the pie together in one pot so it's not taking resources from people who actually use it as it's technically like shared hosting.
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Then for those who use it and have had contact information for a set period but later want to sell it they could have their own auction page listing domains of only people who use it previously not just camped it.
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And maybe the other answer is unlockable services like say telnic all ready has the traffic recorder service for metrics so if they check that against your .tel domain and you have significant traffic over a set period and have data in it then you become eligible for access to extended services, or a title deed program for our primary contact domains (one per-person) it would be nice if they had something where those who use it the most and build it up and get the most out of it but have not paid up years in advance can have a deed reprieve that covers 1 year of missed payment aka if you get stuck aka caught out that deed kicks in and they pay for it to keep you going and if you pay a bit later on you can get the deed reprieve back that is unless you pay up in advance of 5+ years you don't get a ball drop protection deed.
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The point being to encourage development or at least adding contact data is a must and rewarding those that do with extra services and penalising those that don't with slower services.
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Though reality being reality without domainers telnic would have no money to reinvest in telnames that essentially provides a better service for those who use it, thus conclusion is that telnames is telnics way of rewarding those who don't camp somewhat and the higher price is to stop people camping thousands with no content. So we all ready have the incentive for people who want to use it and for those that don't they are stuck with the bulk proxy.

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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by fustachio.tel on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 12:05 am

Plus those that do use it are all ready awarded tel of the week or at least used to be, aka promoted so they did the best they could.
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Expert on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 3:56 am

The trick is to make domainers your friends and animate them to publish their domains (their .tels).
Domainers can be poison to a TLD or can lift it up (see .co or .info).
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Mad Max on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 4:20 am

if it would be easy to develop .tels, domainers wouldn't be so stupid to let them empty
but in case of .tel everybody has to use third party tools and the results are only acceptable at telnames where no development is possible, because only one page per .tel is available there
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by kprobe on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 7:13 am

@fustachio Yes, the AUP should be the obvious route to enforcement. Trouble is that it is easy to circumvent by adding some basic content and still have the domain without value to the ecosystem. You can't get most domainers or hoarders to develop, as they want their ROI. This ecosystem is developing behind the scenes, they do nothing to contribute to success and I will not give in to their greed.
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Expert on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 7:26 am

How many .tels would be registered without domainers?
Telnic would earn very little registration fees per year and should be happy to get at least their money.
But the real question is what benefit a non-domainer can get from .tel! That is critical to success or failure.


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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by ntervu on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 7:28 am

Mark...

Thanks for sharing this article. .Tel has challenges as a TLD with one being the mindset of what it really represents and offers. Unlike any TLD on the planet, .Tel domains are "Ready to Go" platforms that "Old School" and "Want to Be" Domainers have not sync'd up with. Can they damage Tel. Yes. But Short Term Only. Why....

Domainers are typically depicted as Logical - Technical - Engineering - Greedy people (with business skills) that leverage "Replication" models and Aftermarkets (parking templates, etc) to boost a domains value for Personal Gain. And the business community knows this.

Domainers traditionally view non .Tel TLDs on a digital level equivalent to the physical Real Estate market. Operating as such thus leaving a disconnected internet in its path by attempting to dress up domains to pull in hoards of revenue.

.Tel (if I have anything to do with it) will meet an Aggressive business community that will not be denied their place to lead an internet market with Value Add for the communities they serve. Tel domains unlike other TLD domains are "Operational Business Units" that require unique deployment and management strategies to be effective. Failure to put time into a .Tel domains development and consistent nurturing is like opening a store in a mall with shelves and cheap stock and never opening the doors.

In the domainer world this is okay. In the business world it is not. I believe that business is going to find a way to work around the .Tel domainers (squatters) and/or flush them out by outspending them into bankruptcy. .Tel is not a game. It is a game changer that requires thought, thought and more thought.

Business leaders have Vision. If they do not get what they need, they step back and formulate strategies to win around the obstacle. They are well connected in many disciplines and will "Ride and Die" their way to achieving the success of the Vision. No is not and Option.

Just my 2 cents.

Dan Prather
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Expert on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 7:44 am

ntervu wrote:It is a game changer that requires thought, thought and more thought.
This is the problem!
Unfortunately .tel is not a product easy to understand.
Instead .tel should be easy to manage and the benefits for the daily use should be visible for everyone.
As soon this is the case .tel will find its way.
Perhaps Telnames is a try into this direction (including the idea of avoiding domainers), but it won't be easy to survive against this:
http://www.teltalk.org/t800-a-small-collection-of-competitors-for-telnames
Anyway as you can see from the decling registration numbers more and more domainers are leaving .tel.
They will leave .tel to somebody new.
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Tim Spears on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 8:21 am

Not only domainers have been complaining about TEL. Domain developers, software engineers, partners and registrars have complained, too. But the developers have left the ship two years ago. Many services supporting TEL are closed meantime.
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by ntervu on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 9:21 am

Respectfully...

If "Thought" aka thinking out a plan or course of action to run a Tel oriented business is a problem. Then being in the TEL business may not be a right fit for some.

The TEL foundation may be difficult to those who only see it as a "Quick" way to make "Quick" money.

Unlike a .com or any other TLD -- .TEL does provide a structure to work with.

Like .com or any other TLD -- .TEL "Requires" effort to make it work and appealing to a captive audience. With a .com you need to have Authoring among other necessary skills to be effective. Less than 98% of the websites on the web are responsible for 10 percent of GDP growth being driven by most of developed business driven sites on the internet (McKinsey & Company, 2010).

The growth and success of this ecosystem is up to those business leaders that recognize the benefits not distractions from those not willing to put in the extra effort, investment and time to plan and execute an effective business model based on this technology.

TEL registration numbers have no bearing on the success of the ecosystem. They are nothing more than a distraction for those with "One foot in a and One foot out" to use as leverage in an effort to incite a reaction from others. Why? Only those people know. And for those that jump on the bandwagon, it will be a long miserable ride for them. At the end of the day, serious business leaders are moving forward with their plans and regardless of the incitement by few, they with grow successful Tel oriented ops (with or without some) in the background because they are "Solid" and have a plan.

As far as complaints go, that is a sign of failure to communicate a clear plan, value proposition, and the necessary business elements that address a broader strategy. Cost breakdowns, Schematics, Data Models, Value Propositions, Quantitative Analysis, Patents, Pseudo Code, Risk Planning, Charts, etc...

So developers may need to partner with business people or strong project managers that know how to compile a business and use case. Would be interesting to know what Registrars are "Dis Gruntled?" Without names and dates, the statement that they are "Complaining" is subjective at best and could be viewed by business leaders as an action to incite actions from others.

At the end of the day, we need to stop pointing the finger at the toolmaker and come together with solutions that work based on "Extensive Planning" NOT ideas.

Thanks

Dan Prather
www.danprather.tel


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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Moonlight on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 11:42 am

Mark and Dan are right.
Without domainers the trend for .tel would have been different.
Mainly three parties would register domains for .tel:
1.) Trademark owners to protect their brand who wouldn't have registered a .tel so early, because (in a world without domainers) trademark domains wouldn't be registered by others than the legitimate owners
2.) Business developers focused on domains who are small in amount (unfortunately)
3.) Companies who want to present their product or their profile on the internet

The last group would have registered most of all domains. That would have led to a different progress of registrations for .tel. Perhaps the progress would look like this:
Year 2009 = 100 registrations
Year 2010 = 500 registrations
Year 2011 = 2,000 registrations
Year 2012 = 10,000 registrations
Year 2013 = 50,000 registrations
Year 2014 = 200,000 registrations
Year 2015 = 1,000,000 registrations
(Just an idea!)
No hype would have been seen in the year 2009, but the progress would be stable.
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Mad Max on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 12:05 pm

going through this forum i noticed an impetuous desire of commentators to develop domains
many of them requested countless improvements for putting them in the position to be able developing great domains
it seems there is a high demand to develop .tel
on the other hand i didn't see any of these requests realized
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Expert on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 2:19 pm

We have an interesting situation:
An attractive design at Telnames for SMB for $36 and too expensive for most domainers.
The SEO possibility for directories at Telnic for all other customers (including business developers and domainers) for $10 and not good enough designed for SMB.
This way we can be sure these different customer groups will stay separated.
I only don't see an advantage in this.
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Tim Spears on Wed 16 Jan 2013, 3:02 pm

Expert wrote:I only don't see an advantage in this.
Usually you always know everything!

The advantage is that all development happens only for Telnames and the team earns registration fees four times higher for that.

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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by silvano on Thu 17 Jan 2013, 8:00 am

The domainers do their work. In a free market they can legitimately sell and buy domain.
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Re: Warning to Domainers

Post by Spocky on Thu 17 Jan 2013, 10:56 am

silvano wrote:The domainers do their work. In a free market they can legitimately sell and buy domain.
Yes, domainers are very important for every successful TLD. By far the highest number of all domain trades happens between them.
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Post by silvano on Thu 17 Jan 2013, 3:38 pm

Spocky wrote:Yes, domainers are very important for every successful TLD. By far the highest number of all domain trades happens between them.

Yes, in fact the end users prefer to register their domains from registrars at regular price.

With the domainers that steal all the best names, it is difficult for the end user to find valid domains to register, but with the advent of the new 1500/1900 gTLD this year and next, it will be easy for everyone to find a good name paying only the registration fee to registrars.

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